The Worst of the Best Podcast

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thanks for having us on appreciate you listening no problem all right Ed and Aon well let's get rolling into it so
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we're talking about Spider-Man right is what we're make sure all right I'll start right now here we go all
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right welcome to the worst of the best podcast you wanted the best well they
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didn't freaking make it so here's what you get from Canada and Houston and New
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Jersey Ryan and Ed and [Applause]
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Aaron welcome to the worst of the best podcast I'm your host and with me today
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I have some very special guests and you guys are part of the gammer gator uction
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and that's kind of how we're doing this together I guess you could say I've met you through our boss
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CEO zip and of course listeners of my podcast have heard zip guest spot a
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couple times on my show because basically I lost my brother Ruben to uh to a tragic accident no I'm just he
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he's that's funny he's alive and well he's alive and well but my brother he
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had to move on to other things in his personal life and he may one day come back since his departure I've had to
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continue the show and happy to do so and because of that though I brought in other guest hosts which is kind of fun
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too because we get to hear different voices and ideas and this is State your take with Ed and Aaron so why don't you
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guys go ahead and introduce yourselves tell us where you're from and what your podcast is about where everyone can find you hi this is Edward yeah and my name
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is Aaron and yeah we have a podcast called State your take with Ed and we kind of just talk about current events
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we both in Houston I'm originally from New Jersey and I'm orig from Houston Bor and race here but
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you're also Nigerian I also Nigerian there's also a huge Nigerian based in Houston like we are for Nigerian what
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San Francisco is for gay people okay I mean there's a lot of us or
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you're also what Nigerians are to Houston what Canadians are to Canada
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yeah there's a lot of Canadians in Canada so just looks like a Nigeria yeah that's right a lot of Canadians did
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migrate to Canada which was very convenient yeah it just kind of worked out for you guys we're both in Houston
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you can find our podcast pretty much anywhere you find podcasts we come out with a new show every Monday and yeah
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we're part of the gamma Gator Network we're happy to be here Ryan thanks for inviting us bro oh no it's my pleasure
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to have you on and I will say for my listeners I listen to your show everyone that I've ever had guests on the show either they're family or friends but if
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they're a podcast host I don't arbitrarily just bring other podcast hosts on my show I'm a listener of their
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show well because I want to be genuine and I feel like I kind of already know you guys because I listen to you guys
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and I'm a fan of you guys I started listening to you because of zip and his no redeeming qualities podcast he had
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you guys on I'm like well if zip likes these guys I'm going to try them out I do I like your I like your take so when
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you state your take I do like your take I also like listening to podcasts that don't do what I do you know what I mean
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like I want to listen to to people that are talking about different things and sharing different insights and topics that I don't share and talk about cuz it
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gets a little bit like a vac if I keep hearing the same thing over and over you did mention Ed that you're from Nigeria
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what I'd like about you guys is you give a perspective that I don't have okay you're both African-American or black
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and I'm white and Canadian so our our background and our view of life and especially in today's
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climate it's Unique and I really appreciate what you guys your take on things because I'm learning things and
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understanding things that I know it sounds corny cliche but you know we're building bridges uh with understanding
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dialogue so I just want to thank you guys for your calm message in these trouble times no man that's awesome
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thank you for saying that it's really sweet like I told you before like I was listening to a couple of your episodes beforehand too and I think it was the
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episode with you and your kids you were talking about sing the Soro from AFI like I was listening to that album a
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couple weeks prior to that and I was like yeah this is a really good album and then hearing you guys wax poetic about that and then December underground
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I was like this is cool I like this I can get into this it's really nice of you to say though thank you very much we appreciate your show too defin
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appreciate that well thank you but we're going to talk about something light we on our show we don't get into politics too often it just whatever the climate
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of the day it might sneak into the conversation of course so if any listeners are coming over for your
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podcast coming to hear what this one's about I want to say that our show what we do is we just kind of pick whatever
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the best of something is whether it's music movies Comics like today even conspiracy theories we find whatever
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list has been provided by the public and we then pick what we think is the worst from that best and so anyone can say hey
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that's the best song that's the best movie that's the best this or that's the best film from that artist and we'd like to say well everyone no matter who they
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are has something that's at the bottom so it's our job to to pick the worst we
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we we do something not negative but we kind of just flip it a little bit and have fun talking about something that's
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not the greatest so you guys got to pick the topic we picked Spider-Man movie
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franchises now may ask why you picked this because there are a lot of them like it's been it's been like what three
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maybe four times at this point yeah essentially You Can Count four it's the same story essentially I would say
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except for one is probably like kind of different but I think for the rest it's the same story that's rehashed three
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times now yeah officially and there's been some good ones there's been some bad ones so we're here to talk to you
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about the best of the worst or the worst of the best or the best of the best of the worst or the worst of the worst
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worst the best yeah so what we'll do is we'll go in chronological order of the uh Spider-Man releases we'll go in
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chronological order we'll just speak briefly about each one the year it came out the impact it had maybe on Comics or
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us as viewers of these films if you're listening to this podcast because you saw the Spider-Man tag and you think
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that we're going to be Spider-Man experts we're not I don't think I am I don't know what you guys but what we are
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is for me personally I I enjoy movies I enjoy comic book movies I'm not a fanatic about it meaning I don't know
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when each one was written or which comic it drew from or things like that it's just as a fan of movies and these films
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in general there was a couple that didn't quite you know make the cut for the best but the first film was
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Spider-Man and it came out in 2002 how old were you guys when this one came out I was 22 you were 22 yeah wait what I am
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doing bad I was like wait is I was 15 how old are we yeah now I'm
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tripping I was 15 yeah I was about to be 16 same same age yeah so this came out
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in my senior year in high school I'm tripping and I remember it vividly because I do last night I don't know
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dude we had just gotten a new movie theater built okay in our town and I I was Liv in a pretty small town this was
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a big deal and they were like getting it done just in time for Spider-Man because
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this was going to be the biggest movie of all time sure sure enough that week that it opened up was the first weekend
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of Spider-Man and it was like a huge party tons of people dressed up like Spider-Man kids came out they had people
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taking photos they had balloons and just all kinds of celebratory crap and I saw
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this movie in theaters I think three times oh wow because I was so
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Spider-Man's my favorite comic book character of all time like full disclosure I'm certainly wouldn't call myself an expert on him yeah I got a lot
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of fond memories reading Spider-Man comic books and all that kind of stuff so this was a pivotal moment in my life
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personally what Drew you to Spider-Man as a kid he had the full mask and suit
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get up right so and this was something that they kind of explored in the into the spiderverse movie where anybody
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could be underneath the mask there was a moment in I think it was Todd McFarland's run where this robber is
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robbing an old white dude and Spider-Man comes down he saves a day right and then
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the dude says to Spider-Man he's the guy was getting robbed by a black guy or a Hispanic guy something like that Spider-Man saves the day the guy turns
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Spider-Man he's like oh thank you so much you know how those people can be and he knows that little implication of racism that they never
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really Dove too deep in in Marvel Comics but there was always sort of that underlying message there and Spider-Man
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pins this guy up against the wall and he says what color do you think I am underneath this mask and that was just
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like a huge moment where I was like oh wow yeah I can't be Peter Parker but I
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can be Spider-Man you know what I'm saying so that was always kind of a cool thing for me I always gravitated towards
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the characters that were either some sort of animal hybrid or Al Al or fully covered in a mass because they kind of
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disguised whoever they were their alter ego so to speak they a good job about making him like an every man Spider-Man
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oh yeah he always had his problems yeah he had girl trouble he got beat up a lot got crap kicked out of him a lot yeah so
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kind of for him too because he's not like Batman where he has all the gadgets and everything it's like Superman where
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he's like a god on Earth he's just regular dude yeah kind of a regular dude
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say with spider powers yep does anything a spider can yeah my uh initial
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introduction to Spider-Man was different than you guys was a little bit older when this came out I was 27 when it came
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out it was actually the same age as Toby McGuire were both born in 75 oh yeah oh wow you're old yeah thanks
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guys that what I was thinking oh okay sure when this came out of course I was
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kneee in film my teenage comic book films were the original Batman's with Michael Keaton I saw I saw
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1989's Batman with Michael Keaton Jack Nicholson was a joker when I was 14 so kind of your guys' age when this one
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came out that was my introduction to comic book movies Spider-Man's unique because you got a character that the way
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he just performs as Spider-Man you can't do with practical effects uh even with
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Superman you could kind of get away with some stuff because you know they can kind of over well you know he's got strength and what have you and speed and
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they did a little silly flying stuff with Christopher reev and you kind of got away with it Spider-Man you can't
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really fake and they tried to with some early TV shows and they were horrible M and they they were horrible for a reason
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because no matter even how good the storyline May they're terrible story lines but no matter how good they were
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you can't perform as a spider can and do those stunts and stuff so when this came out I was skeptical one because I've
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never been I was never really a Marvel fan I was more of a DC fan I I love Superman as a character I love Batman as
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a character I collected those Comics as a kid and I'm not really versus one or the other but I just really like the Batman and Superman characters and I
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remember Spider-man always seemed to me like a dweeb he spins webs and there's nothing
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really great about him and I was really skeptical about this movie so I went into the theater skeptical my friend
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dragged me to the theater says no no no I'm really good like you guys he was very excited and a very very uh hopeful
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and excited about a film about Spider-Man I'm like this is sure I'll go see it but I really don't think you can
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entertain me with a guy in a spider suit for 2 hours and I was wrong and I was happily wrong I left thinking wow what a
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great vision and it was a lot of fun and because of the films I actually now like the Spider-Man character cuz I see how
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he is how he talks when he fights his light-heartedness his kindness the Peter
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Parker character or the and the way Spider-Man is I've really enjoyed I was wrong Spider-Man is is rightfully so he
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actually the character is the top selling overall merchandise character of all comic books characters he even beats
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out the Avengers he beats out Superman and Batman by a country mile yeah dud it was pretty impressive and it's funny
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that you say that because my relationship with Batman is similar to your relationship with Spider-Man whereas before you know I'd seen Batman
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89 and I was like oh this is cool but I was five years old at the time so anything that you put in front of me was cool later on I got older and I was
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Batman's so weird he just dresses up like a bat and he just beats up people for no reason I was like this guy sucks and then I saw Batman Begins and then I
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saw a new take on and like this guy's badass he just took his whole life and he he went and he found a way to fight
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and he found his way back and now he's saving this guy's cool I got it I understood it at that point you know what I'm saying it just took a different
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set of eyes and a different storytelling measure to get me into the character so that's really interesting how that kind
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of happens look at that see look movies Building Bridges Building Bridges I know right this came out 2002 Toby McGuire
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was cast as Spider-Man he was 27 at the time this is one of my biggest
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complaints about the movie franchise up until we'll get to the latest installment but but at the time I don't
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remember thinking or even knowing how old Toby was because he had a you know baby face and he looked young we're supposed to believe he's in high school
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and he's 27 now his love interest was Kiren dun playing MJ she was 20 so she
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was actually a lot closer to a high school age at that time now watching her now as a 44 year old man watching cir I
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can understand being 27 kind of Aug over her but now watching Spider-Man I like I feel kind of creepy yeah
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dude but they're the one that put her in a wet t-shirt contest wasn't me it wasn't me yeah right they definitely
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made it a point to have some sort of sexed up kirs and dun scene yeah he was never really like a sex symbol never she
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was more of like an actress actress you know yeah I watched all the trailers for these movies I've seen them all all these movies but I kind of watched the
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trailers just to get the images in my head again they actually showed the wet t-shirt scene in the trailer and I was like okay I think they kind of wanted to
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tell guys like hey this isn't a geeky Spider-Man film you know you want to come and it's like the comics that
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you're reading all the women are kind of overly done in the Comics you know mhh yeah which I'm not complaining about I'm
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no it was great it's iconic you know that scene is one of the best ones that's the Spider-Man kiss the upside
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down kiss yeah upside down kiss that one best kiss at the MTV Awards okay that's an iconic Awards yes I did yes I did yes
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I did yes I did that's funny I did win best kiss I don't know why I remember that too but yeah this movie was huge
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huge box office and I did the adjusted inflation for box office because you kind of to because when you see the
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numbers the box office at the time they're very strong numbers at the time but it's important to have it in today's
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numbers because it tells you the ticket sales it gives you an idea of how many people bought a ticket at today's ticket sale prices if this movie had been
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released today with the same amount of tickets being sold in today's market
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this movie grossed $ 1.125 billion what that makes sense though
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everyone saw that you say saw three times I did say it three times so it made 1. 2 billion yeah or would have
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made 1.2 billion yeah in $2 2002 yeah I wish they would go by ticket sales but
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this is how much if this movie was released today this is the amount it would have made yeah and so endgame made
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a billion yeah this is endgame numbers this is so yeah that's yeah I go live AC
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Spiderman like we saw the effects of it totally makes sense to me yeah that's crazy yeah let's say each movie did
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about the same so Spider-Man 2 1.03 billion and Spider-Man 3 you made a
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little bit more than part two 1.08 billion wow dude that sadly makes sense too 3.5 billion franchise Sam Ry what a
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success story dude dude went from nearly killing his cast on Evil Dead to making
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three of the most successful movies of all time that's wonderful I love that part one origin story told me mcgu
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Spider-Man did a great job I think Chris D was perfectly cast as MJ they were a great couple I think they had good on
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stream chemistry and the main bad guy was Willam def fo's Green Goblin which I thought was a great introductory bad guy
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to the Spider-Man lore great first bad guy introduced to the movie world I
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think for Spider-Man oh yeah did a great job too yeah dude he didn't even need a mask really that's probably my biggest
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complaint about the the movie is that they put a mask on one of the better facial actors that we had and you really
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didn't need one I get it yeah I get it looking back on it I like the iron goblin costume a little bit like it's
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cool looking but didn't necessarily blend itself to the character yeah it's not a huge chis for me I just I was look
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the phone like a mask yeah I agree it's interesting that they cast somebody like William defo who does have a very unique
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face and very almost Goblin esque and it's all right no offense to Mr defo so to put the the mask on him I guess it
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was one of those things where either we make him look like a goblin just because the actor happens to look like a goblin
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or we kind of give him a costume with a mask the costume was pretty cool I liked it apparently it had 580 separate pieces
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that took an hour to put on them jeez Louise man wow that's crazy you wouldn't have think that by looking at it you'd
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think it would be pretty simple but no and that was defo under the suit he insisted that's why it kind of took so
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long he wanted to have his movements under the suit yeah that makes sense that's what I would want to do too like
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what's the point of taking a role of superhero movie if you don't get to wear the suit at some point yeah that's the
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most fun part putting on the suit even if people say hot and sweaty like just to have you I got pictures of me yeah
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just put me in the suit you know saying you mold it to my body maybe I get to take it home when I'm done have a little
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side fun action with it you know what I'm saying the idea of actors taking on these roles where their faces are
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covered and I always thought that was kind of interesting with the Spider-Man character uh even a little bit with
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Batman Iron Man Hulk of course cuz he's just basically old CGI I wonder how much of the writing is done in some ways in
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these movies to kind of accommodate we got to get Robert Downey Jr on screen almost as much much as Iron Man is
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because it's Robert Downer Jr you know we have to have his face his acting face on screen even with Mark Ruffalo for end
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game they kind of basically cged his face on Hulk this is the mark Ruffo Hulk and I just wonder how much of it's done
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to playcate the actor who's playing a covered face the ones that don't have to worry about it and this is why it's such
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a great role to get is of course Superman right yeah whatever actor plays Superman you can kind of luck out
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because glasses on or off it's the same actor I mean Henry Cav had his mustache covered that
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was very disturbing can't have a mustache if you're Superman though no facial hair allowed you're like a New York yany once you get to be Superman
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like you have to shave all your facial hair your head hair has to be finally quaffed you know can't mess around you
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know you gota be clean they CGI his face yeah you have an eyebrow out of place
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they will CGI it he had a mustache because of his filment of Mission Impossible yep and done at the same time
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so they're like well we're in the middle of filming right now photography we don't have enough time for him to shave his mustache and come back without a
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mustache what they should have done is they should have given a beard oh that would have been great Spider-Man
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Superman yeah yeah that would have been good but he wasn't really dead so his hair still would have grown and I heard that when you die your hair continues to
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grow anyway the science would have worked he had facial hair if he came back with the black suit with a beard it
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would have been a badass Superman and then there would have been no talk about the CGI I don't know why creative forces
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don't think like us fans think about the marketing you could have done like a sexy thick bearded Henry caval like you
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kidding me who's not rushing to the theater to see that well we know the girls are yeah exactly man they the ball
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you know what the three of us we need to open up our own movie studio call us Hollywood figure us out stop fumbling
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bags yeah we're right here so 2004 showed us Spider-Man 2 of course the big one was a huge success the second one
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was took a darker turn it's kind of like The Empire Strikes Back of the Spider-Man original trilogy so good
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though call the fight scenes in that Spider-Man I still like to not to this day dude it is the gold standard for
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combat comic book movies the fight between Doc O and Spider-Man that starts on the The Clock Tower and falls down
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into the subway So Dope your heart is just pumping through the entire time they really do emphasize the use of each
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one of their powers and abilities dook is using all of his arms and he's wrapping Spider-Man up like an octopus
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Spider-Man's using his webs to throw the arm of the clock and he's doing the flips and the tricks and he's swinging
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the web and he's flipping through the train and he's got that one scene on the pole where he's like pole dancing on you like this is awesome I'm getting excited
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just think about it's a great sequel at that time Dr Octopus is probably the
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best Marvel villain depiction I seen at the time they were two for two as far as villains go like you got great actors
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you got great characters and you portrayed them phenomenally in one and two now we get the three well yeah we'll
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get we'll get to part three what I do like overall about the children Trilogy the Toby McGuire Sam Ramy Trilogy is the
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Harry Osborne character uh played by James Franco I love the slow build that
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they do with him as a character I think it's they did a really good job making a Story Trilogy with Jame Franco's Osborne
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character yeah cuz that comes into frish when we get to part three cuz in part
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two he doesn't Dawn the suit he discovers it at the end of the movie is that right correct he has the helmet and
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then he gets so rage build his dad play on accident yeah yeah yeah he he's
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convinced that Spider-Man killed his father but little does he know he died by his own hand that's right yeah if
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anyone hasn't seen these movies yet spoil alers yeah spoilers wild spoilers for this one so I want to give full
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credit to Sam Ry and the the writing team of this Trilogy that they did a great job with the story arc of Harry
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Osborne part three came out 3 years after part two yeah it went two years
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between the one and two and the three years years between Parts 2 and three I remember being legitimately very excited
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for part three why wouldn't I be part one and two knocked out of the park the Riding High right now they almost feel like hey we can do almost anything we
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want and people will come and that's true they can and people did my quick fix for Spider-Man part three would have
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been to see the conclusion of Harry Osborne turning into the Green Goblin and yes having a second villain sure but
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they tried to shoehorn in three including the goblin villain uh s man of
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course Venom I think introducing Venom was The Logical choice I think people
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were clamoring for that I think people were like okay great you've teased us with Doc O you tease us with the senior Goblin Venom is the Nemesis for
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Spider-Man special effects in 2007 had been you know they up now and people were like let's do it let's give us
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Venom and I think if they done at maximum Venom and Goblin or even just Venom and samon but I think that would
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still would have been a mistake but Venom and Goblin I think they could have done it and I think they should not have had the symbiot ever attach itself to
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Spider-Man I think if they just eliminated that storyline and just have venom go on U Brock's character right at
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the beginning I think would have been a more linear story and no silly dancing sequence what are you guys' thoughts on
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part three my thoughts on part three were that for me the draw was a black suit Spider-Man like when I saw that I
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was like I gotta go see this right and honestly to me being familiar with Venom
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as a character and like just how pivotal he was in Spider-Man I feel like that should just be one onone thing I think I
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don't think you have any other BS in that right yeah that's to me I thought they them shoehorning in the Sandman
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Well actually the thing they shoehorned Venom kind of he was one that shoehorn because you got to see because you had
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um the night Surfer Arc from Spiderman first Spider-Man had the building up to now you had sandman's ARC building up
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from the beginning of the movie right so it's like they really shoehorned in venom and venom is Spider-Man's Nemesis
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because the thing is like with Venom things are so different because for one he can't sense benom so that's another
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thing and benom knows who he is so like when in the comic book The thing about they met benom so bad was that he would
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taunt Spider-Man like he would hang around like his aunt may he hang around like Mary Jane he would mentally yeah
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you know what I mean and like that was the beauty of Venom that he was bigger and strong he would whoop Spider-Man Dan on a regular yeah so it's like there was
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so many things that they just kind of like bum with men and I was just sex so mad about that I think three was just a
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product of the movie studio meddling with the Creative Vision cuz from what I
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understand Samy had no desire to put Venom in any of the movies I remember that being something that he said early
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on in the internet as the internet does killed him for it because they were like we love Venom put Venom in the movie and he was like no guys I don't want to put
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he had Dr Kurt Connor from the very beginning like I think the lizard was going to be the big bad in three all
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along that was his big plan and then you know he was going to add in San man and Hob Goblin and maybe at some point he
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was going to add in because we were working towards Sinister Six which fine which would have been great but you know
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the fans are the fans and the internet was kind of powerful at the time you know we got Snakes on a Plane through
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the internet so yeah people were movie studios were listening to the internet more than probably ever at this point
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that was a mistake too and yeah and I mean you could just tell I mean Topher Grace is a fine actor like he's very
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funny he's very good but this was not this was not it this was not it for him they had Sandman already from the very
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beginning the movie very nice tie into the original story yeah right and then the long build for hobgoblin you know
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like that was well the night surer night surer never the Hobgoblin he's hobgoblin he's always going to be hobgoblin to me
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putting Venom in the story was a disservice to not only the fans because we never truly got the real venom and it
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was a disservice to every all the creative people involved because they had to do something that wasn't a part
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of the vision at least I don't think from the very starts it sucked all the way around and that's the reason why
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this movie suffers otherwise there's some good moments in Spider-Man 3 oh yeah it's not a complete Titanic it
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wasn't a disaster movie it was just I remember watching this in the theaters and I remember thinking as I was
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watching I was frustrated because it's was like I'm enjoying this part I'm enjoying this part I'm enjoying this and I'm thinking to myself I feel like I'm
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watching three movies into one film like I felt ah stop shoving it down my throat
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I wish we could have had the same slow build we had for the first two for the third film because they were going to do
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Parts four five and six and Sam Ramy was on board to do more there was talk of part four right after this one of course
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with the money it made and everything and it was only because of created differences and what have you that Ramy dropped out and so did of course Toby
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he's like well if he's not doing it I'm not doing it that's essentially what it was and so even when this film was out and making money and even when it was
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getting kind of panned by critics and fans they were still going to do a fourth one and the lizard was going to
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be in the fourth one that was the idea it's just too bad that they the studio didn't have the faith in what they saw
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with the first two films that fans also want to see a slow build they don't like multiple villains and I think multiple villains ruin a lot of superhero films
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yeah yeah because villains arcs aren't given the attention they deserve when you do that when you try to shoot horn
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and M one time yeah you just kind of give a FL a snapshot of a villain which the interesting about a vill is their
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backstory like what made them this way and whenever you shoot horn villain in you don't get to see that like the best
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thing about Spider-Man 3 to me was the Sandman yeah I agree I think that would done really good yeah because you saw
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why became you saw you saw his motivation you saw why I became the sand man at some point even feel bad for him
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some at some time that's kind of villain it's just said that he was kind of tied in with this mess of a movie he was an
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afterthought yeah yeah they didn't do Parts four five and six in 2007
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Spider-Man 3 was the last we were going to see Toby Dawn the suit side note for
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Toby McGuire's career he's only been like in two movies since then maybe three I did I didn't memorize it but no
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more than three since 2007 wow I'm sure e good after thaty though man yeah right I mean has have any of
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them really worked that much I mean Kiron dun hasn't done much either she's done more she's done a lot not nothing
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big Blockbuster stuff uh Toby's behind the camera right now he's doing producing and directing is what he's
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doing now right yeah James Frank proba like the most active one I can think of yeah he definitely is but he probably is
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just doing it just because he's friends with Rogan and all those guys well it's one of the catch 22s maybe being some of
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these superhero films not everyone could be a Christian Bale where Christian Bale can be Batman but then he's still just
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freaking Christian Bale and whatever he wants to do that guy's a beast of an actor Sometimes some actors can't kind
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of escape the cowl as they say they're they're forever what that Blockbuster was I don't know if toy Maguire just got
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tired of acting or what but he just hasn't really done anything his last movie was 2014 it was called the pawn or
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something like that oh wow if I was an actor if I can get like that cash ticket
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yeah I just do that I just check it and check out man like stage left yeah start
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doing the things that you really want to do I think that's what Toby's done he's now directing and producing movies you know he's got he's got money he doesn't
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care yeah he's fine so they took a fiveyear break a lot of Studio discussions they knew they had a money
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maker of a character you have Spider-Man Sony Pictures has Spider-Man on their table the Marvel movies are now getting
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big this 2012 the Marvel Universe has really picked up steam and Sony's like
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oh crap we've got a Marvel character and we want to compete with this and cash in on this comic phases kicked in again in
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2012 so they came out with the Amazing Spider-Man and now Andrew Garfield the age of 29 Dawns the suit yeah he was 29
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dude yeah he was 29 in 2012 oh my god wow dude that's so weird why is he so
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old that's nuts man I didn't know Andrew Garfield as an actor before he was cast as Spider-Man do you guys have any
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thoughts on him when he was cast at the time well he was coming off social network at the time he a monster in
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Social Network like he was a beast in that he running that W yeah so I think he was pretty well regarded in that
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aspect it was just interesting because he was kind of came out of nowhere I don't know if he was considered a star
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but then again I don't know if Toby was considered a star at that point when he got cast yeah I don't know if he gets
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that role without social network but same everyone has their I mean all actors have their one thing that gets
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him into the door but then also like you said Ryan you have a cash cow it's Spider-Man like you're not selling an Andrew Garfield movie you're selling a
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Spider-Man movie really put anybody in that suit and it's going to sell yeah here's the thing about Batman character
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Superman character all these comic book characters even Iron Man Wolverine I I hate it when people say or Joker I guess
30:38
I could list every every character I shouldn't do that so the point I'm try to make is no matter how great an actor does in whatever role of the character
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the character should always supersede whatever an actor has done for better for worse because it's the characters
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that I'm going to see in the movie Christian Bale's Batman great Ben affle is Batman I thought he did great why cuz
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I enjoy Batman I enjoy the Batman when I'm watching a Ben Affleck Batman film
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I'm actually watching Batman you know when he's fighting people it's I'm not saying to myself oh that was a cool Ben
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Affleck fighting scene you know I'm saying oh that's Batman kicking ass and despite what you
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say what people say about the Zack SNY Batmans I thought he did a great job as Batman and the fighting sequences of
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Batman were great it's not even sn's fault I think it you sh warn some wi that's what happens bman killing people
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I was like why is he killing people you got to lead to that you have put you have to put that back story to why that happened but they didn't they just
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happened like shooting folks it's like well how do we get here but I don't proba like his Batman he's the best
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onscreen Batman that we've had actually I agree I agree I agree especially as a grizzled older version of a Batman I
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will die on that voice for Christian Bale that was hard for me man it's just that Batman oh my God it's so bad it is
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so bad him in ban is like wait what what what what so bad
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like and Ba's like like what are he say they seem to
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understand each other captions please I'm sorry what' you say that was the funniest part in Shazam
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did you ever see sh Shazam right yeah it's fun it's a fun film oh my gosh when they're like oh God we're getting so off
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topic but they're having the superhero super villain moment and like they're a half a mile apart and they're like I
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can't hear you what' you say great that's good uh we don't have MJ in this series we have Gwen Stacy which was
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Spider-Man's one of his other love interests so Gwen Stacy was played by then
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24-year-old Emma Stone I will say she's a beautiful woman dude she was so good
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as Gwen Stacy she was oh sorry we're talking about her acting ability I was talking about her looks I was
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that's you're not you're not wrong in that she is she is very attractive did you know that her hair is
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naturally blonde I did not know that that was actually her hair color it's not red or brown it's actually the one
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reason why she got the roll was that's her natural hair color that's interesting I did not know that yeah I I think I saw like on some like talent
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show thing before like where are they like how they where were they before they were star something interesting she was really
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good she's a good actress I saw that movie she did I think it's called easy a she's funny as hell yeah really really
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freaking good that what's your overall thoughts on the 2012 reboot so to speak speak of The Amazing Spider-Man and
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Andrew Garfield playing that role I personally have been a Amazing Spider-Man one and two apologist for I
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guess eight or nine years now I really enjoyed these movies I thought that Andrew Garfield was a great Spider-Man
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he's a great Peter Parker I think that they took everything that the Toby Maguire Trilogy did and just Amplified
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it by like 10 The Swinging scenes best swinging scenes in any Spider-Man movie
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I'll put all my money on that the way Spider-Man moves throughout New York City and through on the webs is awesome
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the camera angles like opening shot where it's almost when he finally figures out his powers and he builds his suit that opening firstperson shot of
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him swinging and landing on the building and seeing his reflection like that is something we never saw before and I was
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just so blown away by this entire movie as far as like the action scenes go the
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fight scene between the lizard and Spider-Man in the in the school it was awesome there's so much to love about
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this movie and I think people just take a dump on it because it was so close to the original trilogy that we didn't need
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another origin story like I do age with you on that like Andrew Garfield I thought the visuals were good I thought
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that the story was just weird Kurt Conor as lizard man I think they I felt like
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they didn't do a great job with him as lizard man like he wants to turn everyone into lizards I was like come on man seriously that's what you're going
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to do with that like okay there's some plot holes yes but I mean are we really going to be are we really going to be poking holes in a billing plot you want
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to go back to Batman Begins or we're going to poison the water supply like that's such an original thought like what are we doing what are we doing here
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what are you talking about that's one of the things I'm talking about okay fine okay fine and they kind of make Spider-Man a dick how is he a dick he's
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a New Yorker Ed everybody forgets this like people seem to forget that Spider-Man is from Queens okay you're
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not exactly going to be the most likable person from anybody outside of New York
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if you see somebody acting like a New Yorker trust me a man saves your life mhm and his dying wish is not because I
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don't like you because you're dangerous for my daughter yeah because he knows he's Spider-Man dude yeah he's like
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don't mess he says okay but that's it yeah because you know why he's supposed
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to be a 16y old kid Ed he's an [ __ ] he's 16 whatever I'm not gonna not argue
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with this but I don't want to take this whole show up arguing the merits of The Amazing Spiderman one and two I'm just
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saying you know I'm right I'm right about this that's with the movie though like what why I'm saying it's not that
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high as people should say I'm not saying it's a terrible movie saying it's not that great well it came in not as strong
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box office wise I also did adjust it for inflation because even eight years you know times have changed financially so
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it made in today's money 886 million worldwide certainly not a bomb 886
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million okay yeah it wasn't too bad but for comic book movie and for its predecessor it failed you know by 200
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million I wonder why R wi too which is weird okay yeah but it was Paul gamani
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yeah but though for part two yeah we're still talking about part one but yeah sorry that's okay that's I really
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enjoyed part one or the Amazing Spider-Man part one I enjoyed it I was surprised by how much I did enjoy it I
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did see it in the theater I enjoyed Gwen Stacy I thought it was great to give some Gwen time I also like that they
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took the lizard as the bad guy thinking okay well this was supposed to be part four so the studio said okay we'll take the idea of having lizard as an ex
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Nemesis for Spider-Man Andrew Garfield took me a while to get behind both as an
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actor and as Peter Parker because I didn't know him from before this movie other than the social network so I didn't really know him as an actor which
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is good and bad because it's kind of good to have a sort of unknown to be such an iconic character and the point I
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actually I was trying to make earlier was about the the character such as Batman Superman Spider-Man is and I hate
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when people say oh it's a different actor it's a different actor every time you should theoretically you could have a different actor for every film because
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you show me one comic where one comic timeline to another one the Peter Parker look the same exactly true the Bruce
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wayes the Clark K even the characters themselves they look different so just like the comics have changed over the years so have the actors and the the
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characters on screen that's why it's never bothered me when they recast you have to recast because unlike the comics
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these actor's age right you can't have a 45y old Spider-Man sorry but apparently
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you can have a 29y old close yeah yeah so yeah so Andrew Garfield he
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did sign a three I think a three- pitcher contract so I thought that was interesting too him like boy they they're casting an almost 30-year-old to
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play high schooler yeah yeah it wasn't bad we made almost made almost 900 million the second one The Amazing
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Spider-Man part two we finally have a black actor playing a main role yeah he
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was shoehorn man like they just kind of they they really didn't they didn't do the J to put him in the movie Man like that's Spider-Man 2 committed the same
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crime that Spider-Man 3 did is just too many villains like it and they didn't give enough like time to each villain it
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was the same time they could didn't learn anything okay yes however I think
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that the character of Electro that Jamie Fox played was really endearing it was a
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similar take to the Sandman character where you understand why he is the way that he is he's not evil by evil
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standards he's not just out there causing Havoc an agent of Destruction he's a Andel basically not an incel he's
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more of like a he's more he's just a he's just a guy that has some mental issues that has a hard social
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interactions and when he ultimately meets his demise it's not necessarily come up it's it's just unfortunate I
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didn't have a problem with that character I didn't have a problem with this movie I thought there was a lot to
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really like about it and mainly it has to do with the relationship and the
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chemistry between Spider-Man and Gwen Stacy that's fine that to me is the
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whole movie if you're a fan of the comics you know how this is going to end it's foreshadowed in the very beginning of the movie you know you just kind of
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wonder how they going to get there and how much are you going to cry about it at the end it was the only Spider-Man
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movie I hadn't seen till last night I watched it with my kids I don't know how it escaped me just maybe life in general
39:41
I'm in the military I'm in the Navy so I could have been sailing I have kids I just it was just one of those things where I just what sometimes when you
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miss a movie and time goes on you just never kind of go back that was one of these films and I've heard so many
39:53
terrible things about it so I went in last night I watched on Netflix and I was expecting it to be a train wreck as
39:59
I was watching it I I understand some of the issues and the complaints but my 8-year-old son was next to me and he
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loved it and he loved the special effects this is know 2014 but even he was like oh wow that's so cool when
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Spider-Man's going slow motion through the the shot where he's slow motion and the building has all that lightning
40:17
coming out of it yes my 8year oldold son actually said oh wow that looks so cool
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and there's some really cool imagery in this film I would say my biggest complaint Jamie Fox one of my favorite
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actors I love him he can almost do no wrong I've been watching him since the early days of Living Color the comedy sketch show uh he's a guy that never
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ages I I don't what is he 60 or 20 I don't even yeah he did a great job
40:40
playing kind of a a Meek bumbling guy I guess it was kind of weak writing how he
40:45
became who he became but that being said him as Electro and the powers that he had and how he just tore things up was
40:52
pretty cool and I think they should have just had him and not have the Green Goblin or uh Harry Osborne if they had
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done a part three that's what the natural progression should have been so it's almost like the studio I don't know did they kind of know there wasn't going
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to be a part three no I think this was another thing where six it was thing trying buil that up and it just kind of
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like there was a strong there was a r like a pretty strong rumor that there was going to be a Sinister Six movie yeah I don't know what happened after
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two like I think just the reception was so bad yeah exactly what it was and they dropped everything y yeah because that
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Venom movie that came out that ended up being with Tom Hardy I think that was going to be in that
41:27
it was I don't know I think that most of the most of my issues with Spider-Man usually have to go down to either like
41:35
Studio meddling or writing but like the acting I don't have a problem with like the acting or or any of the people that
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play these characters it's just the way it was written I just I don't know what they're thinking about something sometimes that's the thing about
41:48
Spider-Man and I guess Batman too is that their Rogue Gallery is so vast and
41:53
so iconic and beloved that you want to just almost blow your load whenever you make a Spider-Man movie you want to put
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as many characters you as you can in these movies the same way that they do with the comics you just want to put all
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these characters in because oh they're so and so oh there you only get 90 minutes to tell a story where a comic
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you can tell a story for however long the run is you could space it out a little bit better you can Pace it a
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little bit better but with a movie you just don't get that luxury and I I think that Studios they don't give the
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audience enough credit to say they'll stick around we could still be theoretically watching Toby McGuire
42:27
Spider-Man movies right now and be totally fine with it an old Spider-Man would be great to see but they don't
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think that we're going to be that interested in that like we have to see a high schooler we have to see the origin story like we have to see the original
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gallery of villains I you think by now they learn from the adventures though that's what I'm saying like now you see
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how the model can be yeah be set I mean even with DC like running on long side of Advent it's like you didn't see what
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they did yeah and you couldn't do that well now they do I mean
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now yeah but I mean think about how good these movies are going to be later yeah but think about think about how good
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these movies and these series are going to be now that we have the Avengers model it's gonna be awesome I can't wait before we get to The Avengers uh you
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guys mentioned the Gwen Stacy death i' had forgotten that I'd heard before years ago that she died in the film Amazing Spider-Man part two and boy they
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didn't uh pull back from her death you know it was brutal man it tough to watch
43:22
I was surprised like she was alive all the way during that fall you see the Spider Web
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come out to capture her and it was just it was done just like the comics that's how she died in the comic yeah to see it
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on screen this the fact that her back broke in half with the inertia of the web and her falling at the velocity she
43:39
was falling at it was like oh boy she either would have died hitting the ground or through the there's just no
43:45
saving her it was wow he kind of hammered the point home from the first one was like this is kind of your fault
43:50
like this kind of Spiderman like oh yeah no that's the best part about it is that everything that happens including the
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stuff in first movie it's all Spider-Man's fault it's all Peter's fault it's all him using his powers in
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the wrong way and it just kind of has a domino effect he told her to he told her to stay away he did he did say that but
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everything from his fight with flash you know in the first movie where he dunks on flash all the way up to Gwen Stacey's
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death every choice that he made led to that moment yeah that's the best part
44:24
about any Spider-Man story and that could have been that but then like you end it with him doing the same old [ __ ] like it's like there's no and that's the
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thing that's what with like Spider-Man 2 it's like okay you had this moment where it's like okay he have Revelation
44:37
everything is his fault but they don't really like do anything about it it's kind of have him G doing the same thing it's like okay well
44:45
I so that movie almost made $800 million not too bad but as we know it wasn't
44:50
what audiences wanted what the studio wanted so now Sony's getting a little bit nervous they see the growth and the
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craziness and the universe the Marvel Cinematic Universe is building I bet you someone's like man we tried with our we
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have an incredible character we can't quite make it work the guys at Marvel Studios and Disney they seem to make
45:08
this universe work why don't we go over and just talk to them say do you want our product and of course Marvel Studios
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uh yeah we would love to have Spider-Man you can read all about how they came to their agreements and what have you but
45:21
essentially once the public found out that Spider-Man would be making the guest appearance in Captain America Civil War I think everyone's reaction
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was pretty positive oh yeah I think it was like a um Universal just like load
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blowing a sigh of relief almost because you know that nobody loves Spider-Man
45:40
more than Marvel and so Kevin feige you know this is probably all part of his Grand Design and he was just like
45:47
chomping at the bit to get his toys back sure where first appearance was Captain America Civil War of Spider-Man it was
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cast by then unknown which is a great idea and young which is even a better idea 20 19 20 yearold Tom Holland as
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Spider-Man the youngest one so far yeah so yeah everything's going forward so far and Tom Holland he knocks out of the
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park as a young Peter Parker oh my gosh second British guy to get the role the
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first guy to actually do an accurate New York accent he kills it though too and
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this movie was talking about Civil War okay yeah oh yeah yeah that I mean if Civil War was
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man up to that point the best the best Marvel movie I like I like I was telling people like people ask me like what the
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best franchise is I was like Captain America Captain America far and away yeah it's so good yeah and you forget
46:41
that that's a Captain America movie because there's just so much going on like that like the first Captain America which is great Winter Soldier Fant
46:48
amazing and then sa like dude like I don't think there's any other franchise that n man this is bulletproof man yeah
46:55
but no the Spider-Man that moment where Tony goes to Queens
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and like you just see the title card it's just Queens you know who's coming like everybody who's there nobody who's
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there isn't a fan of this series nobody who's there is not a fan of Marvel he's not he's not going for Jay-Z yeah he's
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not oh go cace always was really excited she's like oh my God he gonna get J uh
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you see the title card for queens and you know it's coming and you see this kid and you're just like oh my God
47:22
they're doing it and then you see the interaction between Tony Stark and Marissa to a who's Ant Man now and who's
47:28
like a hot Ant Man you're like oh my God is Tony Stark gonna be freaking Peter Parker's like step step uncle whatever
47:35
what what's gonna happen what is g to happen the possibilities were just so open-ended and that's the best part
47:40
about the Marvel universe is that there's so many possibilities of where these characters and these stories can
47:47
go anybody can interact with anybody that was so excited about this and what yeah what I loved about his introduction
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in Civil War there was no origin story nothing under Ro yep that's it you're up and you're
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running this is the thing that I was saying the studio respects the audience they know we know Spider-Man stories
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let's just get into it maybe he's a few months into it at this point maybe he's a few years you know he's gotten his videos on YouTube Tony Stark is is aware
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of him so let's just go man let's get to Germany let's have this fight and I love
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how they showed just how strong Spider-Man is that's the other thing I really L they showed him in the hierarchy right away fighting the other
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Avengers just showing you how capable he was even as a young fighter young superhero the the Spider-Man hero or the
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powers that he has are quite quite strong mhm yeah and one of the things
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that I love too was a little throwaway line when he's facing off against Captain America he he said Tony said he
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said Mr Stark said go for your legs because he said that's like your weak point you know that even in the flight over Tony Stark is giving Spider-Man the
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rundown on how to beat all the event that's just so good man so gosh I'll
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hate to see a whole movie of just happy babysitting Peter Parker like I would just pay I
48:58
would pay 90 I would watch that for 90 minutes like I I love that I love I'm getting I'm gonna go home and watch it
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right now okay yeah please do yeah before you do let's uh so he had his own Standalone movie Tom Holland Spider-Man
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homecoming came out in 2017 this one did very well at the box office almost making 900 million as well actually on a
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cheaper budget than Amazing Spider-Man 2 so it made more money even though it made about the same as its predecessor
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uh but it was critically adored by fans by the box office uh I don't don't think anyone really complained about this
49:28
movie I really had no complaints about it honestly it was so heartwarming it was good like it was like I mean the
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vulture oh great villain like yeah Keaton back dude yeah yeah oh that scene
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of him in the car yeah with Tom and he's like I know who you are he's got the gun
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on him yep he's about to he's got he's threatening a child's life with a gun
49:51
like that is no joke dude yeah no like it's and then you got like the love quadrant with Ned and MJ Zenia and then
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what's her name the other girl that he's like actually the one he V's daughter go I forget her name go this about this
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yeah so the big change in this one was uh Zenia playing not MJ but an MJ like
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girl her initials are MJ but she's playing somebody Michelle and it's not a direct adaptation of Mary Jane Watson
50:21
but still a yeah she's great and this is my first introduction to uh to her I
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guess was probably on the Disney Channel or something like that for a little bit of course of course of course when she was cast to play the interest of Peter
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Parker there's people who are upset yeah it's just ridiculous I don't
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understand it's not a red-headed white girl it's a it's yeah it's Zia she's not a redheaded white girl but no listen
50:47
dude people who were complaining about that never lived in a major Metropolitan
50:52
City how do you look at a cast of people that look like the cast of Spider-Man
50:58
homecoming and say no it doesn't really look realistic it's like it looks the most realistic it's Queen it's Queens
51:04
New York it's it could be Houston Texas it could be Toronto Canada it could be any major city where there's a Melting
51:10
Pot of people like I'm sorry it doesn't reflect you know what I'm not gonna say anything because we're gonna go too far we're gonna go into Politics the thing
51:17
is about our show is that we actually try to stay away from politics but just in the past two months getting chair
51:22
shots of it and we can't can't get away from it can't get away from it but yeah this cast of people looks like the the
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scene that is it set in it's not rural Middle America this is a major city and
51:36
these are young kids and they're all attractive so no duh they're going to be attracted to each other and when you
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find out one of them is a freaking superhero how do you think she's gonna react yeah weird to me that that
51:49
everyone was mad about that Multicultural cast being Queen New York
51:55
but yet you're okay with an allwhite comic book cast in Queens New York that like that makes sense to you you know
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what I'm saying we're we're not even going to get into the friends discussion because it's all goes back to friends oh
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God I think there was a black customer in one of the episodes I think one of them well apparently Ross dated a lot of
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black girls the Multicultural girls so that that made up for it yeah but he might have dated them but he was too
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embarrassed to bring them by the apartment that's exactly it doesn't want to bring them around the friends
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oh God that's terrible all right other than that I really love Tom great so yeah and then Tom Holland played
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Spider-Man of course in the the two-parter finale Avengers Infinity war and Avengers endgame and I got to say he
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is the Highlight in those films Tom Holland as Spider-Man really knocks out of the park and I think a lot of fans like me even Avenger fans are kind of
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like boy just show us the Spider-Man part and when he quote unquote died in Infinity War I know people gasped in the
52:52
Crowd Oh My Gosh and to learn that that I think that was an line where he was like I don't want to
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go yes I mean no music playing and you're just seeing God think about it
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right now like it is it is so heartbreaking and I I love them too but
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but I a villain guy I love a good villain and Thanos was it for me man to have him just like I'm like wait he won
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in he won yeah it's a great end the best thing the best part about that was going
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to see it twice and seeing it with an audience that didn't know and you're sitting
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there and you're you're you're saying you're waiting you're just like okay here comes the scene he's walking up he's taking a look on his porch he's
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he's gazing Upon A Rising Sun yeah here he comes three two one and then the
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screen goes black and then the credits roll and then everybody is losing their minds and just like I had two f up I was
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like what bro it's great that they did that because I like that they ended part two or sorry part one we all know that
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it was the part part two would would amend the issues that part one did but that's what I liked is they gave an
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ending There's an actual ending to at this point in time yeah Thanos wins half
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of the population of the universe is wiped out and he got his Sun his sunrise or sunset or whatever and uh yeah should
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have gone for the head should have G for the head I love that's a great part oh that's a great but it also lends itself to in part two when all the characters
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return and Spider-Man swings in and The Crowd Goes Wild yeah yeah yeah I don't
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know if Ryan if you've ever if you've ever looked up Avengers endgame crowd reaction yeah I've seen those on YouTube it's fun yeah they're fun it's one of
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the it's the best thing it always put a smile on my face absolutely this turns out fans of Spider-Man with these two
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films and of the Avenger films in general were clamoring for more because when Spider-Man far from home came out
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it was huge people were still wanting more cuz it's actually a direct sequel to endgame my brother funny enough my
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brother went to see Spider-Man far from home and he hadn't seen end game yet for whatever reason he he was so upset with
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himself cuz he didn't know Iron Man had died so he's watching this he's what
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Iron Man's dead congratulations you played yourself so I said to my brother I'm like you're
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probably the only person who ever walked into the theater not knowing Iron Man's death when they saw far from home that's
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just ridiculous I I can't believe it that's really funny so this movie Man
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Made $1.13 billion wow wow yeah back up into the
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bees yeah with $160 million budget so very cheap on the take I think they're just able to now make films I think
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they're the point out with computers and CGI where they they can do it cheaper than they used to 15 years ago for a better
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product yeah the other problem I have with the movie like it's not even a real issue like it's not it's not a real issue like I love I love home I was just
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like I remember when I remember when he gave the glasses I was like what are you doing oh what are you doing listen Jake
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Gyllenhaal was so Charming I know he I love him I love him you would have G you would have given him the keys to your
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house not them glasses F I was like like what are you doing no don't don't do that the perfect iteration of Mysterio
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like there will not be a better one yeah there wasn't there will not be a better one I haven't seen a good Mysterio since
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maybe the cartoons if that I think he I think he beat the cartoons too like he was so good very interesting antagonist
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for Spider-Man fix screen to have Mysterio as the only and smart that they did this as the only bad guy exactly
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give was one one to one one to one but with a committee of people around him to
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make the vision so great which was even like an awesome take because you think about these high Executives at all these
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tech companies like Facebook and Google you're like yeah there's probably a whole floor of people that just hate
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their guts and so at one point if they ever got laid off yeah you could imagine that they would conspire to put
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something out there to ruin them or ruin their career ruin their good name so yeah I totally bought this this was a
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brilliant take and one of the best one of the best parts about Spider-Man bar from home was a throwback to the very
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first Trilogy which is probably the most the most consistent character in the trilogy I would say was they went I
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think they brought back J Jon James oh they brought we did not we did not touch on JK Simmons enough yeah now he was
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like as far as like me reading comic book seeing him and the comic book seeing on the TV screen like that was just like like
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yeah there's there's not a version even in the video games or in the comics there's not a version of jjon and Jameson now that I do not read in a
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JK right sure yeah yeah he did a great job do you know what the Jake gyllen
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connection is between what his connection is to the Spider-Man franchise other than mysterial wait hang
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on man I don't you got me Toby Maguire filmed the movie seab biscuit in between
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his part one and two of Spider-Man he broke his back and they almost recast Toby McGuire cuz he was very close to
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being unable physically to perform as Spider-Man anymore and Jay Gillen haal was like literally moments away from
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sign on the dot line to play Spider-Man I do remember hearing that too yeah that is now you say that yeah that makes all
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the sense I do remember hearing that wow came back one of the best films yeah I'm very happy for Toby's recovery but I
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remember thinking at the time like I remember even lik in Jake back then I'm like boy he's a good actor he got that we would never got
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Mysterio Jake isn't that weird how life works and we ended it well with Toby and Jake's had a great career so I'm I'm
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happy all around it it worked out for everybody I think Jake enjoyed chewing it up as a bad guy I think a lot of these actors who come in for the onetime
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roles I think they really enjoyed playing the bad guy those are so fun to play I would imagine like I don't think that'd be so fun and again almost shot a
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child with a gun in this movie like they really tried to get Spider-Man out of here with this with the the villains in
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this in these Series so as we end it up here it should be noted that Sony got
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their little greedy idea they're like okay Spider-Man and Tom Holland Poor Tom
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Holland oh Spider-Man is huge and they went to Marvel and said hey thanks for letting us join the party we're taking
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them back yep and Marvel's like uh well we were pretty happy we got five films out of Spider-Man we didn't think that
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would ever happen you know B saying hey thanks Sony we got him for five films it was great so yeah of course fans were
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understandably were upset because Marvel did such a great job with the character son's like well yeah he's worth a lot of money we want full control and they and
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they actually got a surprise hit out of Venom so they were like we want Sinister Six we want Spider-Man Tom and they want
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they actually own Tom Holland the contracts for the character with Sony Tom Holland would had to go back to Sony
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to do a Venom Spider-Man film but my understanding now is it's gone back and forth back and forth back and forth It's
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kind of gone back to yes Marvel's going to do another third film with Spider-Man and another Spider-Man appearance in a
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Marvel film is that your understanding too before he goes back to Sony or yeah I think it's pretty much that he's back
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on the Marvel roster for at least one movie and then he's gonna get the
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Spider-Man Venom crossover movie Double feature whatever it's going to be the
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best part about this whole drama situation was Tom Holland's reactions when he found out that he didn't have to
1:00:20
go where he just posted the video of Caprio Leonardo Caprio from Wolf of Wall Street where he's like I'm not leaving
1:00:27
I'm not it's just it just so good that was like a stressful week because like
1:00:33
as as a fan you're just like why are we messing with greatness again Studio
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meddling exactly Studio meddling has always been the downfall of Spider-Man it was just a matter of time for us to
1:00:45
get to this point but I'm so glad that cooler heads prevailed because we're all going to be better for it like the
1:00:52
Marvel like man we all eating what's the what's the issue what is the issue would be fun I don't know if it's off the
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table are we going to see Tom Holland score off against Venom I think you kind of have to do it at this point yeah
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because Venom was a good movie you got Tom Hardy versus Tom Holland yeah and
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they should they could have the movie be based in Holland so you could just do that again I don't know but no I think I
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think you kind of have to do it at this point because it didn't get the right run the first time around on screen now
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you have a Venom character that is not only successful but affable almost likable I would say I
1:01:30
make it make sense though even though they exist in the same world they don't really exist in the same space like the
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way that Spider-Man introduced Venom in the comic book that's how it made the most sense maybe yeah maybe they do
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Secret WS maybe they go back up to space maybe so but I mean I don't know you have to make it make sense though that's
1:01:46
kind of a big part of it because it didn't make sense when they did it no it didn't make sense so yeah it's we'll see
1:01:52
if they make it make sense sure but if they can't then no don't do it please so how we're going to do this now with the
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show is we've talked about one of the well probably the greatest comic book character ever at least financially he's
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the greatest so he's certainly the best and he's provided us a lot of fun in these films so what we're going to do is
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we're going to pick who you feel is how should I say this now you can enjoy all
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these things now I want to make this clear for anyone listening sometimes when something's the worst it doesn't mean it's terrible sometimes it can mean
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that not everything's created equal you know some things just aren't as enjoyable as other things we mentioned a
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few of that as we talked about this uh these three franchises first though let's talk about overall who is the
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worst Peter Parker SL Spider-Man if one franchise dropped off the map forever
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you would never watch it again which one's it going to be which one are you sending off to the comic book gods of
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Destruction worst Peter Parker I would I would have to
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go Gotta Go Toby man that was gonna be my choice I go Toby
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but it sucks because he was the he's the he's the first first he's the first and the worst wow if it was a hard choice
1:03:06
and it's like had to pick outliers but he probably danced his way out of
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where you had to pick something like so three three was it for you like you just three was so bad so overall you're
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saying Toby McGuire's performance as Spider-Man was the worst of the three yeah it's not and it's not bad honestly
1:03:25
like I think it's I think it's a serviceable but I think that Andrew Garfield I think Andrew Garfield hit the spirit of Spider-Man better than Toby
1:03:31
did and Tom Holland just Tom Holland right I think we all agree that Tom Holland's performance is the best yeah
1:03:37
yes so my pick though was actually Andrew Garfield's interpretation of Peter par yeah it was a tossup of course
1:03:44
between Toby and Andrew but I think at the end of the day maybe I just fell in love with Toby's a little bit more first
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and it was hard to Dethrone him and it wasn't until Tom Holland came around it did Dethrone Toby performance yeah okay
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so next question within the original trilogy which of the three films is the worst one three oh three yeah yeah like
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I think part of Threes is because like it followed two yeah dude if it didn't
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have to follow two which was I'd still say I put two in the top five best comic book movies of all time amazing you know
1:04:17
with all the great movies that we still have I'd still think Spider-Man 2 is top five it's so great but yeah you had to
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follow two and you followed with three jeez it just makes three all that much worse because three in a vacuum probably
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not that bad but no you follow two it just pales
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in comparison like it may I like it may might because it follow two it's like the same problem that
1:04:44
Return of the Jedi had you know it followed Empire but Return of the Jedi had some amazing Parts the fight between
1:04:50
Vader and Luke in a vacuum they are awesome movies but when you have to
1:04:55
follow two of the best sequels of all time and with Ewoks you can't do with Ewoks either so I'm kidding 3 is
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terrible vacuum vacuum or not golfa part three yeah okay so the next question is
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now okay between part one and two of The Amazing Spider-Man which one is the worst film part two part two yeah yeah
1:05:15
part two part two part two part two and I think unfortunately the problem with part two I agree is ironically I think
1:05:21
Angie Garfield and Emma Stone did a better job their chemistry was better than part one I think his Peter Parker
1:05:28
performance was better in part two than part one I think he got into his role better he he found his footing but unfortunately the uh the villains made
1:05:35
it a worse film compared to part one yeah I I would completely agree with that outside of the KE Parker Gwen Stacy
1:05:42
storyline that movie is just kind of convoluted yeah it is so it really doesn't lend itself to part one was so
1:05:48
good and we still get a little bit of Gwen Stacy and Peter Parker although it's not as fleshed out and developed you know certainly Gwen doesn't know
1:05:55
Peter secret but it's it's still better storytelling origin than uh part two
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unfortunately and lastly the Tom Holland double Bill between Homecoming and far
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from home which one is the worst film that's tough man that's hard for me I'm
1:06:12
actually gonna say far from home is the worst the two that's only because I really can't stress how much I loved
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Michael Keaton as a vulture like I I really yeah
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can't just tell you like how happy it made me to see this Goofy character this
1:06:32
silly ridiculous go look at a picture of the vulture from the comic books like the ear it's so stupid old man with
1:06:40
wings like it doesn't it should not track it should not even when he was introduced people were just like I don't
1:06:45
know about this one yeah like this that was not a good call like on paper but I said the same thing about Guardians and
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Galaxy and look how wrong I was about that so to see Michael Keaton take it there take it to a point where Not only
1:06:57
was it believable but again a relatable villain that you can understand why they're doing what they're doing they're
1:07:03
not doing things out of evil like they're not mentally unstable or anything like that he's doing this to
1:07:08
feed his family because he got screwed by Tony Stark yeah you know what I'm
1:07:14
saying or was it Shield I can't remember I can't I can't remember who's coming in and taking all the the jobs from work
1:07:21
yeah Keaton for me like made that movie that's and and Ed you feel the same way
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far from home yeah and it like I said it's tough but I say far from home like it's is the worst one it's not I feel
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bad saying worse but I get why we're using the worst that's that's the name of the show yeah you have to to say
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worst but yeah it's I can't think of anything that I can really criticize about homecoming yeah it's just it's
1:07:47
bulletproof man yeah it was bulletproof in comparison it's like yeah feel I feel the same way guys far from home and I
1:07:53
remember watching far from home in the theater leaving a little wanting and I and I didn't like that I don't know I
1:07:58
don't know what I can put my finger on Jake did a great job as uh as Mysterio
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something made me left wanting I don't know it felt weird it didn't feel the same as even endgame maybe I don't know
1:08:10
if that's part of the problem end game was just so incredible that I almost feel like far from home was like
1:08:17
Spider-Man leftovers I just felt I felt a little wanting and maybe they'll Rectify that with part three maybe
1:08:23
clipping her too that but they just like let where where um Miss told everyone who Spider-Man was yeah yeah that's true
1:08:29
too now we now we know who Spider-Man is according according to the end of that film yeah I enjoyed it I really did
1:08:35
enjoy it but I I there's parts of me that almost enjoyed Amazing Spider-Man 2 more than far from home in some ways I
1:08:40
maybe because I went in to watch Amazing Spider-Man part two with Andrew Garfield expecting to hate it because everyone
1:08:46
else seemed to hate it according to critics and fans in 2014 that I actually quite enjoyed it and then far from home
1:08:52
because coming off endgame maybe I just felt a little bit wanting it's not the movie's fault necessarily but I didn't
1:08:58
feel as excited by it as I was hoping for the last question before we close overall in the all three franchises
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which one was the worst villain portrayal not in the comics but which one was portrayed the worst oh oh it's
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easy to me yeah venom venom venom you're saying Venom yeah I think uh it's tossup
1:09:20
either between venom or Electro just because they didn't get enough time like they didn't really get enough screen time or script time to flesh out the
1:09:29
characters I think I pick venom more more so than Leo elro wasn't good either
1:09:34
but I think venom more because like Electro although a vill was in in the Spider-Man universe he wasn't he wasn't
1:09:40
like a big bad he was there yeah exactly he was like kind of a a subordinate yeah Venom is was his arch nemesis yeah they
1:09:48
just kind of like put him in the last 30 minutes maybe because I just saw it yesterday I don't know for me the worst
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villain was the young Harry Osborne Green Goblin villain in Amazing Spider-Man part two I
1:10:00
actually had to like look online to see was he in part one like all of a sudden this kid was just angry his dad died and
1:10:07
he kind of mutates weirdly into a Green Goblin that puts on the suit like he happens to know the suit's going to cure
1:10:13
him or what I was like what is going I was like I'm a 44 year-old growing adult I don't know what's going on here why am
1:10:18
I so why am I so confused like at least Electro like I understood he fell in the
1:10:24
vat bunch of eels bit him okay it's your comic book Trope you know and now he's got the power of electricity but I was
1:10:30
actually kind of confused like how did this guy become Green Goblin and why is he's so angry now I it was a very the of
1:10:36
shoehorn or shoehorns the Green Goblin in part two Spider-Man was terrible a great Point yeah that's excellent point
1:10:42
he's like also a blood disorder like I need your blood yeah no wait why not
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like yeah and that's where a again where if they had a little bit patience and and faith in the studio didn't evolve
1:10:54
themselves they could said let's you know maybe you could introduce that concept a little bit but have him be angry at the end of part two and then
1:10:59
make him the main villain in part three but yeah I found that part like where did this guy come from I had no idea
1:11:05
you're going to be in the film and now you're the bad guy you came out of nowhere after Electro's death and like okay Move Along please he was irritating
1:11:13
he was irritating that's Studio medling yeah strikes again well that's it guys
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