The Worst of the Best Podcast

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all right before we roll into this week's episode I just want to say if you
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haven't already go and listen to part one of this discussion that is the Faith No More the real thing album discussion
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where Jason and I picked our least favorite or the worst song of the real thing
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that same discussion now takes place for angel dust just like how part one ended
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sort of abruptly because when we originally recorded we didn't think it was going to be a double episode but it
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was big enough that I think it warranted a breather time for people to marinate
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in our discussion and see how we do things before we tackle what we both feel is the greatest faith no more album
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ever made let alone one of the greatest albums ever made in music history and if
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you don't agree with that then I don't even know why you're listening to this episode I'm gonna give a little teaser
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here and Jason and I don't agree as much as we did in part one as we do with our
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choices in part two so stand by for that I just want to give a special shout out and thank you to the Facebook group
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Faith No More followers they gave us a plug on their show which gave a nice
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little bump to our podcasts we are very very very grateful and we're a very
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small podcast our listenership is just enough where we wonder why we do the
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show it's that small thank you to all those who do listen and who listen to
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part one if you haven't listened to part one and yet go back and listen to it because part two like I said just kicks
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off right away they're like almost like in the middle of a sentence because we start talking about angel dust right away so that's where this one will lead
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into so again thank you if you have recently subscribed to our podcast
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because you've enjoyed our faith no more discussions I encourage you to go back and listen to other episodes I hope you
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enjoy the show hope you enjoy the podcast and I'm really looking forward to listening to this again myself because this angel dust discussion is
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quite quite good thanks everyone thanks for listening and here we go cue the intro
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[Music] welcome to the worst of the best podcast you wanted the best well they didn't
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freak him naked so here's what you get from Canada Ryan Oh Jason
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[Applause]
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[Music]
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[Applause]
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and what will transition to angel dust but another thing I want to point out
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about this these albums is the production value so the production value
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of both these albums but let's just finish off production value of that album the real thing it sounds like it
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could have been done yesterday and there'd be very little really that you
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would want to change on it my question is and I've heard albums that from bands
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and from bands that I've enjoyed throughout the years with like releases in the you know in the 2000s and late to
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like now that no 2012 20 teens or whatever artists who have had success in other bands or what-have-you
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I'm always surprised about sometimes how bad some productions sound like why is it so hard to have a good sound this is
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1989 and they figured out then why can't bands to have a high-end production like it does just cost how much more money
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best sound I don't mean over produce I'm just mean just make it sound good yeah
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sound like you actually used equalizer in the studio yeah I for some artists who who are big-time artists and I'm
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like why does this not Spike Lee yeah why's everybody play that tin can I don't know all right
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having said that angel dust yeah it takes this production not just the
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things that they did but the sound that they were able to get I think the buyers
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say the best produced album I'm not talking about the best albums of all time I'm talking about the best produced
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albums I honestly think angel dust has got to be the top two or three albums in music
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for production value they have so much going on but yet it sounds everything
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you can hear everything the real thing you can hear the bass you can hear the
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drums you can hear the guitar you can hear the synth you can hear Mike Patton you can hear everything distinctly and
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the way that is put together is amazing and then they took it to a whole new level with angel dust it's got to be one
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of the best produced albums technically produced albums of all time top
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three four in my books if I had to do a top five album this would be on there
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somewhere like each you couldn't you can only take five albums with you to the next life angel this has to be on there
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if you know what's good for you we're not subject matter experts and we don't claim to know the history of everything
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however we know that my patent was part of that experimental high school group
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called mr. bungle and mr. bungle released their debut album after the real thing so people that were fans of
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the real thing and fit my patent in that really hold my patents got another band called mr. bungle and myself included at the age of 15 and when it came out I
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thought oh mister bungles debut album and I remember listening to mr. bungle I'm like what the world this is this
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it was completely insane and I know that it has a following and I can listen to
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it now as a mature adult and understanding music and how it works and stuff but as a teenager I didn't
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understand it and I didn't get it though I always appreciated Mike Patton's insanity as a person what I
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think happened with angel dust as he took his mr. bungle type or the Mike
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Patton that he is and now he's like hey guys I'm now here not just for the lyric
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writing I'm now a member of the band my creative juices are now going to mix with yours and we're gonna create
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something a little bit different and it was a natural thing it wasn't him saying this I think it was just they were saying hey Mike come on in and join the
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creative process with this album I think they as a band with this thing you know because these band members this is their
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fourth album they were probably like let's change it up a little bit have a little bit of fun and let's get Mike's input on this and then lastly this is
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where Jim Martin was like I don't like where this is going yeah which is really unfortunate yes I think for the band and
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for the sound and the image because even Jim himself had that unique look to him
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and that unique guitar sound talking about Mike Patton stamp on this album I
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would I would like to know what they would consider his stamp because I'm looking at the music he really only as
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far as the music goes he wrote lyrics for every album I'm sorry for every song but his musical is like four songs I'm
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read four or five songs music wise well we can go through wiggle three song
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I know yeah sir I was just look at the tracklist and I didn't quite catch his name but he actually did yeah his hand
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is on every song yeah well we can go through quickly and you can see what songs are more patent songs and for
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obvious reason how they sound well let's just get into it because it starts off with land of sunshine line of sunshine
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is such a great fun song and it's a great track opener and it's a nice way for the faith in the more fans of the
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real thing so I'll create a new Faith No More album here we go so they listen to this they're like you know this makes
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sense this makes sense what I'm hearing right now and it does make sense and we'll get into how quickly it's thought stops the big says right after that's
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like I talked about the real thing and I remember on my Scout trip listening to it over and over again so by this time
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we had her ghetto blaster remember our ghetto blaster that we bought it was a Hitachi was it that's yeah been attached
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II had the double tape deck double tape deck double tape deck master your report
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tape to tape tape to tape and see the table when you were able to record CD the tape you were just like your Sony
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Walkman became an mp3 player yeah we were able to do our own track listing
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playlists playlists playlists and then we had to go buy the longest eight the
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longest mixtapes we could find like they may be gonna buy the guy hydrated tape being able to record onto those tapes
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yeah it was like a mind-blowing experience because you could just do
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your greatest hits your whether it's all the love songs or whatever your mix
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tapes that you kidding oh this is a romantic mix taste yeah let's write the soul song with you but the girlfriend
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with the girlfriends in the car you play the gene are ballads hits your buddies you're playing all the hard
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stuff yeah yeah so anyway I remember grabbing the CD going into my room I
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still can visualize myself Ryan right now I'm reliving it I put the CD into
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the Hitachi ghetto blaster that mean you bought remember the times we can used to
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actually open and look at the booklet and read for young listeners this was this again was 1991 so it's just 28
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years ago they had this set of the 82 right sorry my bad so this was 1992 28
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years ago and the aesthetic of holding the CD
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and open up the liner notes reading on the liner notes who wrote what the lyrics and music by so-and-so I remember
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being a teenager really taken into account know who wrote what was he were
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invested yeah completely invested in what we were listening to what was being
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sung why they were singing what they were singing all of it it wasn't just oh
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I want to just have this music that's just like a lot of the lyrics today in pop songs and stuff how much is repeated
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they probably got like five lines and they just repeat those five lines in a song over and over and over again no
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real chorus no real beginning middle end song structure is pretty simple nowadays
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for most pop stuff here on the top 40 but these musicians are committed to
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their craft there's a reason why they do everything there's a reason why they have the tracklisting the way that it is
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it makes sense to them and we desperately wanted to get into their heads we desperately wanted to
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understand why they wrote the lyrics that they did try to somehow gain an
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understanding of these people that we admired so much and gave us so much fun and happiness in our own life and
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entertainment I remember lying on the floor the CD booklet in front of me
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pushing play from beginning to end and I was in shock and it started with land of
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sunshine and it didn't stop but Atlanta sunshine and we're thinking okay here we
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go you know this is a faith Memorial all and all it's what we could expect what a band matures the second album with my
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patent this song a natural progression it's like wow yeah gone right away is
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the nasal [Music]
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rejoice there's so much going on there right off
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the bat I have chills Brian yeah yeah I have chills his vocals are already up
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down slow fast yeah he does that that Mike hands I don't know what the call but the day raises it in just a cackle
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laughs that maniacal laugh it's like almost jovial singing and rejoice
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everything is this it's a circus it's like 30 seconds into the album one minute it's one minute to this aisle one
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minute yeah one minute and this is more than just a progression this is
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massively strong song structure vocalization of the lyrics the phrasing
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the samples already are in there yeah right off the bat you know you're going
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from the real thing to this you're taking it to a different place okay completely but I meant by natural
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progression to those what I'm saying is it's a leap of Bob fries you're not yeah you're like this yeah yes this was her
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second single so their first single and we'll get into was midlife crisis so their second single was land of sunshine
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but this could have easily been their first single and it would have just worked just as well the second track on
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this album caffeine fan favorite rightfully so concert favorite but when
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we first heard this and our tender young ages of teens in 1992 I would've been 17
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you would've been 19 we're very seasoned metalheads and at this time we should also note that we went back and got the
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back catalog of Chuck Mosley say no more and I remember enjoyed those quite well we reversed engineered or fandom of
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Faith No More I mean we were introduced with the real thing and then went back not knowing
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that they had two other albums we just weren't exposed that or knew that that yeah there's no internet back then we didn't know we just picked up these
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albums like oh it's a different singer as the Chuck Mosley syndrome will do you're like what that's not patent but
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then once you recognize hey this is just good music with a different singer different style different attitude it's
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just fun music especially the introduce yourself album has some incredible incredible songs Chinese arithmetic and
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song are in our blood those are some wicked good songs on that album like just amazing
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rockers but what I love when Mike Patton does was live he kind of mimics and keeps the same tone as as Chuck would do
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yeah which is which is a nice way of him saying he doesn't try to just drown Chuck's vocal abilities he still makes
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it kind of Mike Patton he Chuck like okay so the second track caffeine should note who wrote this and it's is this
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what I'm saying so the first song was written by golden bottom that makes sense rowdy bottom and gold they wrote
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they're the primary music writers for every Faith No More song so the second one had Patton's influence or Patton has
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a writing musical writing credit it makes sense as we'll find out right now so I remember when I first heard this
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I'm like what is happening those four
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dogs [Music]
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so I remember I first heard this that's so good it is so good but this is song
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the grew on me because when I first heard it I was a it wasn't that I didn't like but I didn't understand I was but a
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child and Mike's making you grow up real quick yes and we'll get to the part of
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the song that everyone loves so the part that just blows you away and I will say to you who are new to Faith No More and
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might not recognize or understand this music Patton is about the scream in your ear is crazy insane the build up at the
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end of it he says relax it's just a phase you'll grow out of it and and we
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all did we all grew out of being shocked and descended of love in it I think he was speaking to the faith number audience
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I love that and I heard you say yeah the baseline
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yeah the base I mean just that that whole song let's be honest neither one of us are picking that as our worst yeah
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no of course not no we don't like to shorthand too much but yeah or land of
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sunshine I'll leave it at that I'll leave it I will say this for this for this album this one was hard this is one
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of the hardest ones I've ever had to pick you have to pick a song again that you have to get rid of because that's
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the rules of the game right going back to caffeine here to be very beginning with hearing those dogs it was
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a little bit disturbing at the time I mean now I know it's just sound effects
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and stuff yeah no dog got her awakened to this huh but I actually don't know is it true that dog was hurt well I don't
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know they kill the fish in the epic video and now they have beaten dogs for the set for this song I mean just the
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whole thing right you have those dog sounds and it kind of elicits a certain response and then the song itself and
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his ups and downs and it's crystal clear screaming singing yeah already these
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first two tracks I don't want to say blowing away but the real thing like there is such a push yeah the real thing
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has parts of the album epic I said that h-have a zombies must have been probably
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closer to the to this album this may be the close it's just kind of the there's
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not one song of this album that has an H to it I know it's unbelievable that's why I think it's one of the greatest
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produced albums of all time you could not put that in and go tell me what year this was known you would guess 90 I could go to some 22 year old person
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who's never heard of Faith No More but thinks are pretty up on metal or rock or whatever whatever music show them caffeine himself this song just came out
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this year okay cool yeah okay and trust not my thing but I could see how that released it no no it was released 28 years ago right every can kind of tell
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like Led Zeppelin song yeah sure as great as the are you could tell that they wasn't exactly 2018 Greta Van Fleet
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tries to change that on us but they're not fooling anybody especially
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live they're not feeling anybody live oh
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alright their first single and the third track on the album midlife crisis and
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again I'm like unlike what epic did for me for whatever reason well because the
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song was just amazing this song has not tired me over the years because there's just so much that goes on in this song
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sometimes singles are safe songs in a way because they try to draw out a big audience right but this song yeah so
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I'll just stop right there before it kicks in so right away really cool yeah again it has a Faith No More drum that
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board and so good at you just recognize it right away that it's a Faith No More beat and then my patent takes is a
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scatter tat tat rat a tat tat vocals to a whole other level
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back in swear there [Music]
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[Music] you're menstruating heart bleeds enough
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for two it's unbelievable the way he phrases I'm not sure that's the wording
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to use but the way he phrases his lyrics there singing there's kind of talk
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singing then there's straight singing when he's writing these lyrics I would
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love to know if he knows how he's gonna sing those lines while he writes or it's
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just something that he has to come up with later because to be able to phrase these lyrics so differently from one
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line to the next is genius it is genius to give a shout out again to the Faith
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No More podcast podcast croissant and I hoped it was saying I hope they've given this a listen because they're huge Faith No More fast they explain that process
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that my pen does too right because my patent has been asked over the years so what did this lyric mean we're that mean
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he kind of writes his lyrics like an instrument and so he does know kind of
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how he wants to sound I think when the song is being done so he does write to
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how he wants to sound I think so sometimes his lyrics don't always quote quote unquote make sense he says don't
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read too much into them all the time because he he is using his vocals as they sound so that in this song I love
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the how he does that beginning part I'd it sounds like he's singing in word I
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don't know how to expect him that I don't know how he does it he makes us
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sound cool yeah because he is cool he is pretty he's 23 here Jay he's 23 here
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when I was thinking about him and his approach to this music it's obvious that
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he is musically a genius or at least a creative genius I don't know if it's
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like a musical genius thing but he's a creative genius and I love about what he's weird that's the thing about some
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genius it's like he's odd and weird but he's extremely intelligent when it comes to creativity it's the creativity yeah I shouldn't say
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necessary musical genius because I mean that might be overused too often we talk about people that we were fans
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of right but it's pretty clear he is a
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creative genius cuz he's not just singing a song he's not just writing lyrics there's a lot going on especially
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this album with all the different sound effects as we'll go through the different saplings that he puts in the
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mix of synthesized or the mix of the bass and the drums and then the added guitar accentuating the darker moments
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in those songs it's impressive and then a producer being able to understand that
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vision and not wreck it makes this an amazing album again Jim was not happy
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with where this album was going the sound of the band it's unfortunate that how should I say this is unfortunate
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that his vision of what this band could be like did not fit with his he says
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right here I quote following the success of the previous album the real thing in a subsequent tour fitnah more took a
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break for a year and a half before beginning to work on the new follow up angel dust during this time my pan rejoined his
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high school band mr. bungle to record their debut oh this situation had an effect on the band this drummer mike
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boorda thought the writing process was like the state of a magic slate having been completely covered in writing and
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there was not any more room for any more writing on that slate so we all went and said all right and erased everything and
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started writing new stuff so sounds like the band maybe without them saying it
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was Mike Patton but the founding member of the band Mike Bordin and Roddy bottum the guys are there at the beginning
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whether it's called faith no man still it sounded like they wanted to they got rejuvenated with Patton's creativity we
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talked about creativity they reached a new level so they all decided quote to not play it safe on
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this album instead take a different musical direction much to the dismay of guitarist Jim Martin the only thing I
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could say to Jim Martin's defense despite how amazing this album is it wasn't the commercial success that the
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real thing was sadly because this album is it's different well it's completely
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different I'm not discrediting the genius of the album it may have thrown people off the trail
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a little bit we could see the rest of the history of the band the next album after this which we won't go into with
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this album kind of maybe pushing some fans of the real thing away and then Jim
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Martin leaving the band never had the commercial success that they used to have it's too bad imagine Jim was behind this
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sound yeah if Jim Martin had stayed even best you know the next album could have been stronger here's not every albums
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gonna sell the same as in the other elf no artist is doing that anymore right but maybe Jim Martin was I see the
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writing on the wall I don't want to see what I have thought it was supposed to be I could see how this maybe alienated
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some of our earlier fans I don't know enough about him maybe he felt this gruntal that Mike
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Patton was putting up with this amazing maybe he just felt like he was being
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pushed aside I think if he had been on board like oh man this is amazing I love everything this is I love how
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everything's sounding yay they would have loved to have him stay on I think it was just a I think so I think it's
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just a question of they had no problem with Jim's playing or his ability or his love of music but I think at the end of day it was artistic differences and I
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think the band kind of chose Mike over Jim why wouldn't they he's the Mike's a star he's a star there's only so many
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Mike Patton there's only so many type of front vocalists that just exude what my
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patent does is hard to explain yeah and and the reality is is Jim isn't fooling
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anybody you're not the most technically amazing guitarist much of what you're doing is
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somewhat simple as far as the plane goes no one started playing guitar because of
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Jim Martin probably not very many you know I yeah you probably count on your hand
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the amount of people that picked up a guitar because of Jim Martin I probably the same about people that started
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singing cuz I've checked mostly and probably they say about a people that started the podcast because of you so
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you have four more figures to go I think my other co-host Andrew actually might
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be two actually he says he might want to start his own podcast to denounce there you go yeah I probably won't start my
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own podcast but I appreciate you having me on my maiden voyage yeah you'll let me do all the heavy lifting I appreciate
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that all the editing and release even pay for the feed thanks brother sounds pretty you're fluid of Rubens shoes
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nicely I just slid writing my job never
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changed all right ok next song RV and what does our view stand for again I'm
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recreational vehicle that's right I look brain fart I know it's the trailers there you know the mobile trailers yeah
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recreational vehicle I love this one it what should be a silly maybe a throwaway song remember I love all these songs so
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you're not gonna get my guess till the end but and I'm not giving away by saying this I'm just saying RV is such a
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silly different song and you think old but it's about a trailer park trash dad every time I listen to the song I see
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the music video that they never failed in my head for the song the story plays out and you feel you feel bad for the
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dude yeah the really good Mike Patton it really creates a character here in this yeah and the way the song again it kind
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of starts off a little bit for me weak and it might be my oh this is an easy
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target but the way that they finished the song yeah strengthens the song but I love how Mike
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sings at the end let's get to that right now yeah [Music]
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certainly [Music]
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nineteen I love that let's go back to this
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talking part it just has a cool voice even when he talks like the DNA DNA blessed him with a vocal that just
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sounds cool even when he talks yeah when he sings that part that we showed at the beginning of that crescendo of this
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trailer-park guy he keeps in character of a guy who who maybe fancies himself a
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singer isn't quite that good of a singer but kind of belts out a half-decent type belting out part of the song and he
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stays in character it's not great singing but it's great singing for this trailer-park guy yeah he just took on a
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persona and carried it through the whole the whole way yeah like he's stating
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character of a guy who can't quite sing he's been a little bit I just love how he does that fellow you know you know
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the moment this guy's life where he's showing the world that he can know what he thinks is singing and his moment to
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shine so the band itself I mean it's very different than the way many of these songs are put together with tons
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of sound pulling sound effects that typical faith no more bass drum rhythm
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section it's a very just stripped-down sound that separates itself from the
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rest of the album but stays in faith no more character yeah so the fifth song of
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the album smaller and smaller [Music]
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[Music]
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that's right what are we seeing there oh I scared I just love the darkness the
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darkness of the way the song starts [Music]
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[Applause] so again another non-conventional type
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sounding song like this isn't going to drown the Airways of radio no it's not
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[Music] I love the kind of dark foreboding of
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that song yeah I do to it because it's called small and smaller if you feel
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claustrophobic when you listen to it you feel like the song is closing in on you in the weird way yeah yeah it's more of
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a darker song especially coming after our V which is kind of a jovial fun song this one comes in a very dark sinister
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and the screaming again you know and you can hear the Mike Patton sound effect he does and I've seen him do it on stage
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and on YouTube where he's got that voice box machine or whatever so he screams it and he's able to warble things and go up
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and down with it stuff and what I'm finding interesting is Jim Martin I think felt with the direction of this
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album not very maybe highlighting some of his guitar but as I listened to it I mean at
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the time I remember when he had left and I remember some of the comments is like he wasn't guitar driven enough I think
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he felt dismissed from the rest of the band may be jealous of Mike's influence
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on the direction that they were going but you could have had this album without his guitar it's prevalent every
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shot it is and so I'm not there's a jealousy thing there going on with anything
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I felt that way from the very beginning and that's kind of why I'm leaning towards the two and I hate that term because it sounds petty but I guess they
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were still kind of youngish back then 20 years ago I think Jim was probably pretty close to Chuck I think that was
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there at the beginning of that band and and this is not the fourth album Mike Patton this kid comes in this maverick
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Top Gun dude comes in and shows everyone how it's done and he maybe felt like hey do we've been doing this long before you
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were you know out of junior high right yeah Jim's little bit more old guard he's a little bit more old guard I think
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yeah there might have been this is my pet yeah yeah
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so understandable I don't begrudge Jim it's just too bad you know think I think Mike did not Drive Jim out I think Mike
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might be eccentric my patent might be eccentric he might be a little bit weird but I don't think he's ever he works a
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lot of people you don't hear anyone saying like my parents a jerk have you asked Axl Rose yeah I know but
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as a rose is no and I love axel but he's an easy target man and I think Mike I knew that yeah
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hey there's some orange juice Axl if anybody knows that steer
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that's my pad bean if Axl was a jokester back it would have been gone anywhere but Axl does not have a sense of humor I
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don't think you know especially when this directed his Alex Andrew Dice Clay
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that's we love it as that's well I think they're just friends yep and you're probably like socks with more than Axl X
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and you like I wonder what makes Axl laughs but Axl Rose is a harsh critic on
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himself already and I think anyone that adds to that could we know he's perfectionist I think being a
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perfectionist by nature wears my patents probably not a perfectionist I think he's just naturally pretty awesome what he does I don't think he gives a flying
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you know what if it comes out well however comes out he does it he creates it moves on where's Axl malls and malls
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over things and takes too long he paints himself into a creative corner I think by doing that yeah he's already
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self-critical so if anybody's even remotely critical of him is devastating
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I'm sure my pen has read reviews on his albums or heard them do you think he cares probably not much no yeah
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interesting interesting yeah sure small and smaller yeah that's a there's a part in the song and see I
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think if I really quick yeah I love this part here yeah that's
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probably my patent doing some sort of chant ladies soon as that voice chat
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there's just a sound and then the build
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up that comes up here [Applause]
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and you're talking about Jim Martin is guitar you know exactly
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yeah you could not have that song without Jim Martin and it's unfortunate
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he didn't feel maybe he was mad that Mike Patton had his little focal it's
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sort of vocal show there before the guitar I don't know yeah a little bit more of a radial friend they want kicks in I believed everything's ruined was a
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single very member correctly yes everything's ruins the next track on the
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album and it was their fourth single from this album let's check this one out
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I love this song again the piano its Faith No More and then Billy Gold's bass
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comes in [Music]
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if that is a sign faith no more it's unbelievable I mean
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[Music] so I think the there was a very creative
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choice to put this kind of near the middle of the album they experimented a little bit with caffeine and smaller and
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smaller is a little bit dark and this kind of comes in a little bit like hey don't worry there's still very faith no
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more very bass and guitar and this is speaks to why I was a single as well if
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this gets on the Airways it's still very faith no more without shocking the audience or this week yeah still a step
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up from or anything on Dalton yeah yeah it's got a little bit of a balance it's
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got a little bit of pop it's got like you can kind of I don't know dance like I'm not really a dancer but you know
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what I mean you could you can see people being able to gravitate towards this type of sound you know listening to it
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in their car oh yeah I love this part here my pens a low scene he does here again very anti nasal
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and he gets it to a very low tone octave [Music]
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and then Jim's guitar plays because tarsal I love that line there though he
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made us proud he made us rich and how are we to know he's counterfeit I love
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that line the way it's the way it sounds when he sings it and then of course this song ends with you know a penny won't do
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oh no a penny won't do what it all means I have no idea but everything's ruined
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yes everything is it's definitely a safe of all these songs and herself was
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definitely a safe radio song at least one of the safer ones from Melton that
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is for sure I think it's a solid song I like the fact that he's almost a straightened up singing how it was kind
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of critical but a couple songs on the real thing the way the heat is kind of sank through it I feel differently about the way that
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he sang through this song he sounds like he's actually enjoying the singing he's having fun with it he doesn't come
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across as being bored swimming word I can really kind of use right now but he sound challenged how's that yeah yeah he
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sounds challenged start straight across singing but it is more just a singing a
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song I like it again they give us a safe kind of this is a single and if you're hearing this out for the first time come
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on try it by track malpractice comes in two kicks you in the teeth and just straight up pat and song it's straight
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up had song and when you hear it you're like of course and this is this is all patent
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I love that what he screamed the crowd roars the crowd roars and he's screaming that yeah and he's like you know what
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with everything's ruined you thought we were gonna go do the real thing of the rest of the way no no no
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we're not we're gonna do malpractice and carry on with angel dust yeah yeah it's
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awesome yeah they remind you that you're on a different journey here with angel Dustin you were with the real thing yeah
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I remember it seemed to this out this song for the poem I thought I really torture chamber yeah yeah look at the
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creaky sound yeah okay those are either the device or pulls people's limbs off
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or are we listening to dungeon doors opening creaky and open or it gave me
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that well Mel practice I get you know kind of like are we in a dilapidated surgery room or experimental rumor or
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something yeah I gave you that complete nullify its song at first you first heard it when again that when I was young you know teenager I wasn't behind
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it but it challenged me and I appreciate now more than ever that it did challenge me because I loved the journey that it
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takes you on you listen to what actually Mike Patton is doing it's not a conventional song and the fact that they
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threw this on an album the record label probably were just like oh my goodness what are we doing here this is my Patton
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saying you know what I've got the equipment I've got the budget I'm gonna do my patents on you guys wanna play it and they did right he's like I gave you
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everything's ruined I can have Mel Proctor yeah that's right this is it that's right now well
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speaking of which the next song is kindergarten and I I loved kindergarten this is again a little bit more of a not
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a safe song but it it's a song that was a single as well I believe my bad this was not a single but as a song that
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could have been a single and what I love about the song though is I actually love the lyrics and the journey that this kid
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is having as a kindergartner right you shouldn't be able to enjoy that or vision it but it's done in the way where
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were you talking about how the drinking fountains are shorter than it used to be because he's growing the kids growing
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yeah yeah yeah he's walking through the halls differently than when he was younger you know five year old
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kindergarten student
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I love that one maybe one day I'll be royalty carving my names in a tree that
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will never leave I love that yeah and there's a part and song I really love the build-up at the end I want to get to
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it here this part here I really like this part in kindergarten where it gets a little bit heavy and dark at the end
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of my patents a little kind of his I don't know how to describe the the sing talk that he does but he doesn't hear
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really well nice
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I love that walking outside yeah everything got quiet suddenly no Dolby
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and the theaters empty film is flapping on the side of the projector the reel is
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over like unbelievable storytelling the way that he phrases that through his
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singing it's genius agreed agreed yeah love that the ninth
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song on the album sigh - at this point if you're listening on tape cassette is
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the song be aggressive so this is another song of levity kind of in the
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same vein as our V is be aggressive this is the one we have the cheer leaders
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singing along and the chorus it's kind of a fun hokey song it's a fun song it's
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light-hearted for those that know the song know what it's about and we don't have to say out on our PG Show but this
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is here's a sample of the song [Music]
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it's got really dark beginning in and you're like but then it turns into kind of a kind of that carnival yeah exactly
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you can almost hear the girls laughing as they're doing this singing do you
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hear that yeah yeah yeah that's the sample that song there it's a fun song
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again if you know the song another band you know what's about if you don't know I'm gonna go ahead and google it okay I think it's a follow up to epic if you
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know what that songs about yeah it's the next step it's the next step this is why
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you know they had to do that album first and they had to follow it up and finish it off with this okay if you can't be
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aggressive you can be epic alright I remember when this song was released as
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a single because the music video was so high-end so good quality it really adds
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to the song it's a small victory incredible song incredible music video
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and I don't think they've ever topped this music video [Music]
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so my pad sings the song pretty straight for the most part anybody does a lot of
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good vocal stuff little patterns there oh it is a very straight cross singing
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for the most part but it fits the song yeah if you kind of read the lyrics it's just
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yeah it's more of an amateur it may be their Civil War song it's still done in the faith in the more vein but it's a
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little bit more of a message it's not the silly song to be aggressive was or RV so to speak or the challenging song
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of caffeine and malpractice but it's a kind of a serious song in the sense of the subject matter and the point to try
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to get across the part that I really love is this the kind of cacophony of crescendo here with the sound effects
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and between my patents and the boys in the band here check this out [Music]
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I love that yeah the synth going in there the extra effect that provides you
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know as kind of Lamoure or hard rock heavy metal background but enjoying this
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band it made having those keyboards onstage and in the song work and it did
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feel cool that song would be so different it didn't have the ability to
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use those synthesizers to add effect let's see here who wrote that yeah this was a bad
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effort a gold bottom board and in patan the only one that didn't musically contribute so to speak was Jim when they
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get the credit to music people who know music writing better than me I always want about this because obviously Jim
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had to come and do his guitars I would suspect that he would you know on this BMG rights management
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it says songwriters include Jim now music is one thing and then lyrics is
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another thing small victory on the Wikipedia it doesn't show him involved
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in the music but songwriters some here this what I'm looking at it includes Jim
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yeah well it's always a collaborative effort my understanding was they sent Jim the music the parts of their plane
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that Jim would add his guitar he wasn't there a pseudonym Jim was pulling an
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axle I will say this next song is my favorite song that has Hitler in the
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title yeah it's rare that Hitler can be brought up in such a positive way yeah
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what a great title crack he'll they're very mr. bungle title let's be honest that's Mike Patton title in that song oh
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for sure and of course he's trying to push people's buttons and they see that he's 23 oh yes he's 23 he's he's four
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years away from being a teenager used to being a little bit a little bit Punk a little bit yeah you know in your face
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crack Hitler but I love how he says crack Hitler in the song he throws it in I love the beginning the intro again Jim
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Marrs guitar play on the song and he has a music credit on this song so there you go
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I love that buildup and I love Mike's Patton's vocals tonight these lyrics I'm
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reading the lyrics as you're playing that and these Lear's tells quite the
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story or just even that first part that are synced the eight-ball buy the lady a drink and nobody knows my name
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bodies float up from the bottom of the river like bubbles in fine champagne oh wow he's the one no doubt walking on the
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tightrope he's the one no doubt and it just carries on another line at a shadow called danger hiding in the sheets and
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on the streets and the hearts of every stranger like these yes quite the story
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so here's when he does use Hitler in a song it's in quotes in regards to the
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usage of the drug and modified my personality to the extent that I was highly irritable always like a crack
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Hitler there you go yeah I mean it makes sense here's this person who's
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describing how they're feeling you know going through whatever emotions and he recognizes that you was just like I'm
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not a good person it altered my personality I was like a crack Hitler interesting I love that song I do it so
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I did you yeah for sure I mean this is such strong such a strong song I love
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how it ends we won't play with huh how
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did you decide they're gonna do that it's just I know because if I walk trigon people gonna look at me go like
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you're weird but somehow these musicians can do it they're cool
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so this last song the music is credited to Jim it's just solely Jim right and
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you would think this would be a Mike Patton production so to speak it's almost like Jim saying you know what fine Patton I'll show you I can do your
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song type of song too and I'll tell you what I love about this song believe or not and this is what follow crack Hitler
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well they do not Google the the mean of
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this song if you don't good personally if you don't know what this name wouldn't could mean I'll tell you when I
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was 16 naive say naive when I was 16 I didn't know what the mint seems to start to figure it out I
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wouldn't even say the name so the name
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of the song is well it's the one that falls crack Hitler I'll leave it at that my mom list is this show so you know
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what I'm gonna say in the title you see the title it's song number 12 there you
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go was its song 12 it's the last song on the album it's the closer now I know there's been other releases that have a
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Midnight Cowboy and easy and as the worm turns but again we're going with the original release of the album even so
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even if Midnight Cowboy was on the original version I think it was for us it's a cover song from the movie
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Midnight Cowboy and of course easy instrument and it's an N it's an instrumental and easy as a
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cover song and as the worm terms it was a previously unreleased track from their first album but with my patent seen okay
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thankfully you have those rules in place because easy would have been the pick well yeah again
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there was a with war pick so the two covers or the weakest tracks yeah and then again instrumentally Midnight
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Cowboy yeah even though it's a remake of a song it's very good
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yes musically which is rare on these albums when they just play music and
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it's actually good buddy rate so here's a sample of the song jail you're a
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grown-ass man Ryan you could say it this
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has a feeling of a Mike Patton sound but it's a Jim Martin production [Music] [Applause]
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you could argue it has a very black Sabbath you feel to it [Music]
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you could there's two parts the song that make the song amazing this is why Jim wanted this song because it he
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wanted to do this he wanted to do this once on the album Patton comes in with some screaming that's just amazing
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and then the Jim Martin crunchy guitar and I think Jim just wanted to ride that crunchy guitar all the way through check
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it out [Music]
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this is not to Metallica I think Oh for sure that portion of the song is is
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amazing I think it's Jim's way of saying see you guys work this is where I wanted us to go and he left with that song that the
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ending of the song I'm gonna play it because I love how the song ends because it ends with the Patton singing a little
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bit more cleaner vocal but at a low octave and it bleeds into that great ether all Cathedral type music by Roddy
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bottum on the synth [Music]
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what a perfect ending to the album right that's angel dust the ability to pick
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the worst song is easier for me than it is to pick the best song is your best
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song of this home I actually really don't know picking the worst song is easier I don't know if I could pick
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legit one song over all of them give us your worst pick yeah before I do this is
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a masterpiece in production no one would ever listen to this and think that this album was put together in 1992 it could
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have been done yesterday and no one would think anything of it but as Mike
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Patton sang I'm sorry in the last song that is my pick for the worst song of
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the album just lubber oh really yeah sorry mark and Martin Thank You
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Martin you didn't want to be a part of this band this is your big writing
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credit Wow savage savage I'm coming in
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hard RV for me was close but I just don't know if I can listen to this song
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over into the little middle piece where it's really heavy I love but just as a song in general to throw that on over
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and over and over again he would get old for me RV provides it just a little bit
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more it barely just a little bit more hmm I hear you I'm like our last talking
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about the real thing we could kind of see why we picked what we picked I heart I've a hard time seeing your
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understanding or saying I think I felt that way when I first listened to this song back in the day but it's a song
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that over time I loved the power ending and it saves it for me actually it's the reverse for me I quite liked it I hadn't
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really thought much really one way or the other with it but as listening to this album a couple times the last day
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or so I just I just don't know if I would really want to hear that over and
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over again if I had to put a song on repeat I'm not sure if that's the one I want to hear over and over again RV is
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for me a second close second but I just think it's easier to stomach over a longer period
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if one song was on repeat more than the other interesting how I'm viewing this
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decision okay so yeah track 12 I'm bleeding towards what you're saying
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regarding RV but my argument comes though with RV and be aggressive we already had with our v kind of a liked
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comedic song there's a little bit silly a little bit fun and this album is not a
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fun album it's not meant to be quote-unquote a happy-go-lucky type album it is heavy it's dark it's
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aggressive huh so we gonna be aggressive it's a punch in the gut in the face and that's kind of why I like just lauber
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over these other tools because it ends the album with a hardness and then it ends with that little soft melody at the
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end of Rodney bottoms plane if you put that song in the middle of the album you might not have that scent maybe not
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maybe not but I do look at this as a whole though you know as an opening closing song because you got the land of sunshine and then this closing it to me
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it makes sense however yeah for sure but however RV and be aggressive I feel
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like we got we already had RV and so when be aggressive rolls along it's a song that has aged poorly for me both of
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what it's about I don't think it ages very well I can see why 23 year old wrote it I'm just looking at it through
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forty-four-year-old eyes as well I think it was a fun song to sing along with as a teenager and the girls singing their little
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chorus i I'm never a fan of the stuff spelling and songs how do you spell beat
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e be AG re it's like you know am is s is s IPP I like spelling in songs has never
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been fun for me that's my worst pick could you imagine you have an effect respect song is that RESP CTIA yeah it's
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annoying it's annoying at the other day it hasn't aged as well for me and I could be happy if I never heard it again
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and I don't put this song ever to listen to when I'm listening to this album I'll skip it okay that is interesting you
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know what's also interesting is only one bed member wrote that song as well bottom one band member wrote the song be
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aggressive you're right I mean probably behind our V that's a fairly weak song for the most part only
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one band member wrote jizz lover and that's the one I picked Mike Patton may
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have had some help on the lyrics on that one but as far as songwriting goes it's basically a Jim Martin song choose
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weaker tracks two or three of the weaker tracks or not a band effort that's not
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really a band effort and that's not surprised that any band that you like whoever's listening think of a band do
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you like and think of that same band if they had a solo project from that band I guarantee it wasn't as good as the band stuff there's something to be said what
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a Sabra disaster a stuff mckagan bless
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his heart a bless his heart but no he he's part of a bigger project and it's just weird how yeah some people just not
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every bad but so you know not everyone could be a Phil Collins you know instead of Jackson or Michael Jackson yeah Jax
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is an extreme example stepping away from the band and it clips in your previous efforts there you go that's it that's
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how it goes remember in front of every silver lining there's a cloud and we're
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here to help you find that Jason thank you so much for guest whole scene we hope to have you on again I hope this becomes a more regular part
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of my life it was fun yeah maybe I won't have to invite myself next I made well
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Bloods thicker than water I'm sure I'm sure what I got I appreciate it thank
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you for giving me a chance to do this it is my first time ever being on a podcast I hope I didn't drive away though one
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last downloader that you have our mom hopefully she's going yeah she might not have downloaded part two Mike Patton
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scared anyway it was fun hope I can do this again with you Ryan you bet it of course okay right take
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care brother yeah bye-bye [Music]