The Most Ridiculous Teacher Firings
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welcome to the worst of the best podcast you wanted the best well they didn't
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freak him make it so here's what you get from Canada and Florida Ryan and Drew
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welcome everybody this is the worst the best podcast I am your host so as you
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just heard in the intro today we have our guest host again and this is your sixth time I don't know why we're
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counting maybe we should stop counting at some point but the sixth time you've been on the show true welcome to the worst of the best podcasts and drew
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welcome to guesting today I think we do need to keep counting I mean I've got
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notches on my bedpost I don't know how you're angling this takes time it's a pleasure I appreciate the invite yeah
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you're absolutely welcome and I'm glad I'm making some marks on your bed I don't know how I feel about that but
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well where else would like mark don't know all right yeah drew do you have any favorite teachers that you remember
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growing up with her teachers that you really liked yeah absolutely I had a fifth grade teacher who gave me a bunny
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so I had a pet bunny after that I had an 8th grade teacher I really appreciated
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his history class learned a lot there those would be the two that really stand out what about you well I had a grade
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five teacher that I used to smoke pipes in class that was fun I think he waited until we were at recess when we came
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back to the classroom full of tobacco smoke from the pipe back in the day and then when I was at grade 12 I had in the
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crush on a student teacher she just got out of the university so now I'm 17 year old teenager she's 22
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miss dog it seemed very appropriate wasn't keep much of a hurdle no I mean
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she was in her early 20s I was 17 and her name was Miss Shaw and I tell you man I had never in my life ever looked
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forward to learning math but I was more than happy to attend that class every day wow that's quite a you know and
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added appeal to a math class all of my math teachers were math teachers yeah
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pencil neck geeks if you will maybe why I didn't pursue that further so for
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today's topic you would think that we're gonna talk about teachers who had maybe bad affairs with their students cuz
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believer not true those things do happen teachers do have affairs with their young students part of it from time to
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time a little bit that having experienced it personally know I have it so miss Shaw ever decide to ask me on a
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date back in 1993 yes I'm old would have been more than happy to say yes but no alas there's no scandal and
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Ryan's life or or miss Shaw's life she was a great teacher this topic though is the opposite these teachers were not
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fired for those things they were fired for more silly reasons so these teachers
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were fired for unfair reasons or not very good reasons we got 10 here 10 true
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stories of teachers who were fired for reasons that I think Percy don't stand
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we're gonna pick out the worst what is the worst mean amongst the are we
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talking about the most unfair I think so I think the one that this really should
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not have been firing there's some maybe behaviors or things that maybe and you if you're in a professional field yes
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you should be careful and so even with my podcasting yes I obviously don't I don't have a hate podcast I don't talk
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derogatory about genders or races or religions so but I'm mindful of my own podcast of things that I say and do that
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could affect my job there are some things and maybe some things here the teachers are you know who work in the
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public forum might not or should not have done I think there is going to be at least one where that's probably not a
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good reason why to get fired we're gonna talk about these ten firings and their stories in which one we think is the
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worst let let's do it let's talk about Carla Carla was a elementary school teacher in a small Mexican town when she
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took a short vacation to Cabo San Lucas Mexico if you know anything about Cabo you know it's a fun place where you can
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unwind and that's exactly what she did so she was wearing a bikini and she entered and won good for her a dance
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competition earning herself $260 dancing was twerking and moving in a mmmm maybe
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a provocative manner and it's on the internet so if you want to find this you can find Carla the twerking teacher you
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can google it Carla when she did this she didn't think anything of it at the time was she
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competed that this would cause an issue she packed up her stuff she went home but when she got back to her school she
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was fired she spoke to the news after her firing she said quote I was singled
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out as immoral called immature and a [ __ ] and I'm not doing anything wrong
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she says it's a dance competition and anticipating it does not define me as a person I'm not naked and she wasn't or
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having sex and she didn't and much less consuming drugs or disrespect to anyone so yeah she pretty much put on a
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twenty20 halftime show those women
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didn't have the weight responsibility of going back to their jobs as elementary schoolteachers the Chakiris and J Lo's
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don't have that burden no but it is kind of funny she basically did that she basically did a halftime show being a
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teacher means I would imagine it means slightly different things in different countries I think this might be the only
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story that we're going to address that happened in Mexico both the twerking and the working happened in Mexico you see
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what I did there yes yeah you should not twerk where you work okay we have to set
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some standards I think working and working have to be kept separate in their own worlds this one whatever the
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policies and procedures that she may have signed up for when she took her job in Mexico it may have some sort of a
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blanket character clause and oftentimes if you sign up for one of those things you don't get to decide what is the
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character deficiency when you get terminated for that at the end of the day the Internet is not helping these
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matters because if it sort of went viral and someone caught on it may have not been her intention for that to happen
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yeah that's the crazy thing you're absolutely right is had this happened 20 years ago she did the exact same thing when the exact same contest there her
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bosses would never have known there would've been no film it would just been a joke and she would have wanted it on
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home exactly and the fact that this got out and ruined her career at that place
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it's just all unfortunate for whatever reason you might ask what was the compensation for her for signing up for
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such a restrictive character clause likely it was there was nothing she didn't get anything more in her salary
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for signing up to sort of limit her social life in that way and that certainly is what they perceived it to
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be was a limitation on her social activities I did not watch the video god bless Carla is all I have to say yeah
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I'm sure torkoal you want I don't care all right number nine so this one is about a woman named
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Monica she was an employee of a Christian School of Covenant Christian
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school in Palm Bay Florida so this will be the first a couple of incidents that
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we're going to talk about that occurred and what it was my current residents of the state of Florida now before I get
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into this I didn't want to approach it with you as we talk about wild and crazy stories coming out of Florida are you
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familiar to man Ryan the Florida man I'm familiar with these hashtag Florida man or the stories
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on social media that has to do with people from Florida doing wild and crazy things yeah there's gonna old adage if you give
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a headline to a crime or an activity did this happen in Germany or Florida that's kind of the joke is that the joke okay
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so you feel like everyone that you know sort of understands that Joe and I have a theory why Florida so crazy give it to
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me or it tracks the crazy because it's the temperatures people are out all the time and they can facilitate a lot of
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people who maybe don't need a resident so had actual permit of residents you
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could live comfortably out in the open for a lot of the time of the year throughout the year and it just kind of
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attracts people like look how shy says if you're gonna be homeless floor sent a bad place to because of the temperature
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I do think that you have a certain point about that you're right if you are involuntarily homeless to find Florida
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for that can't say that I can disagree with that much I'm not trying to alienate our homeless listeners to the
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show but what I'm saying what I'm saying is apologize to the homeless listens before you apologize to the Florida
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listeners yeah of course because it's not their fault that they might be homeless is your fault that you're in Florida the boy the point is is that
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well you're not gonna live where I'm living right now where it's you know sub-zero temperatures right now you go
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to Florida where you can comfortably walk around through shorts well it's a very reasonable person's take on it Florida is a place at least within the
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states that does get the brunt of a little bit of attention Florida and New Jersey get that bad tension to jump into
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this story here this would be the story of Monica Monica was a teacher in Palm Bay this is a very
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very recent story it actually went down in 2019 she was called in to her school administrators office she was a teacher
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who was a theatre teacher and she worked on the plays at the school so just to sort of set up what kind of person this
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was and maybe what you would imagine about stereotypes and whatnot she was called into the administrator's
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office and she was immediately outed for being a lesbian she had not lived her life as a lesbian she had kept that
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private that was her decision and she was working at a school or maybe she knew that that would not be understood
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in the right way and so she was immediately fired because they had discovered through a number of different
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avenues that she had despite being in the closet that she was a lesbian she'd
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engaged in these activities this was termination that was mediate and it was apparently in accordance with
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the state's laws at the time and as they currently stand because it was only an October of last year she is suing for
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you know unlawful termination for wrongful termination there's actually not a whole lot of hope for successes
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she may get a settlement of some sort but so this was someone who not only lost their job but they lost the ability
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to have their the agency over whether or not they were going to tell people that they were out she lost both of those
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things in one fell swoop and that was in Brevard County on the east coast of Florida I'm on the west coast of Florida
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so maybe that she'll trust me from spirit for this one and now that she's out of the closet she can go into
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Hilary's cabinet a callback to a recent
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episode that we had now Hilary the lesbian joke biting my tongue noticed
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that you thought that the teacher on our list named Monica should be partners with Hilary what I want to point out
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that's tough luck for her that's tough luck for her know this one okay all
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right so this is number eight most people expect the teachers watching over their children to be of good moral
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judgment and while it's not necessarily immoral to film yourself having sex few
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parents would be pleased to learn that the child's teacher was a porn star that's right that's what happened in 2016 when the University of Manchester
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learn that that one of its professors had been involved in filming pornography a decade
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ago his name is Nicholas Goddard but he's an oxford-educated chemical
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engineering teacher and he just went through a stressful divorce so he turned to porn as an outlet as one does the
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University suspended him immediately and if you search for Goddard online which I did not and by all means if you want to
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you may have dear listeners you'll find that the then six year old professor appeared in a dozens of films often with
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women quote unquote woman forty years as junior under the pseudonym old Nick as
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that was the age of most of the students as no wonder the university took action when his panagra fee career came to
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light with the suspension active Goddard stepped down and resigned from his teaching position he wasn't technically
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fired but he knew he eventually would be and he opted to take control of the situation and he returned to do in
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pornography if you've got it flaunt it that's what this fan did he followed the
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Golden Rule this is interesting yes okay so this is not in Florida not
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in Mexico this is in England University of Manchester okay Oxford educated I see the picture of
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this guy here he looks like John Malkovich what I took away from this was
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that it was just go Goddard I am team Goddard if he can lose his job at the
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University of Manchester and just slide back into a role of fornicating with
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women forty years his junior go Goddard go yeah no kidding me so yeah
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he's back to doing it do you know he's gonna do till till I guess he doesn't
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get the call anymore so good for him he plus busts his heart let's art to me
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this just seems success for all parties involved
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I'll move on to number seven here this is an interesting one and this will sort
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of start into maybe some of the well I can sort of understand this one to be
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somewhat reasonable this is a woman named Alison Alison was working as a
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substitute art teacher at a school of Michigan this wasn't even a full-time
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staff member and it wasn't a drama teacher this was a substitute teacher
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right so she was working at this Michigan middle school and as you know middle schoolers are sort of different
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than older or younger students so just very inquisitive about a wide number of things but because they're middle
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schoolers you may have to be sensitive about which topics you allow yourself to chat with them about and so that's what
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happened in this case she was teaching Georgia O'Keeffe's artwork Georgia
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O'Keeffe is a famous artist who was well known to draw or to paint flowers now
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were you familiar with Georgia O'Keeffe before you read the story Ryan I know I know I'm not that up not with the
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painters and stuff especially flower painters but yeah good for him yeah very good I'll go on to say that at some
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point some student asked this substitute art teacher well what do you what can
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you tell me about these paintings I would say rather unprovoked these
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substitute art teachers said these flower paintings are meant to look like
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vaginas and you know we don't know the entire extent of the conversation but
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this was a conversation between a woman who did not regularly teach this class and a child that she did not know very
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well in any sets to work so she answered the question in that manner she was
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immediately called in to speak with the administrators and she was let go that
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she violated the school's policy of discussing reproductive health without prior approval now this is the
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understandable part of this I do not feel from talking of this story even if
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it is a widely accepted interpretation of George O'Keefe's work that the flowers were
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meant to look like vaginas I don't really know what that child has to say for you to think that you need to
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discuss that with them right then right there but sure puts another a mean to stop and smelling the flowers and stop
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and smells Oh Ryan you were waiting so long for that work oh boy yes yeah so I
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guess the end of story here is she was not a health professional she's you know leaning towards the sexual education
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talk and that was not her purview to do that kind of talk and that's understandable what I can recall from
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sexual education courses when I was younger was you always knew when you
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were walking into that room where you were going to have those discussions right you always knew that this was your
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health class and this was your health teacher and to just have an art teacher kind of throw that out there you knew
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when you're walking at sex at class when you saw the banana on the counter do
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they do things slightly different in our countries but that's the one consistency right it's a grade seven or eight that I
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call eighth grade or seventh grade or whatever but yeah it was sex ed and they had a banana they've used to been in of course to show how to put on a condom
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but then afterwards that we had cooking class and we used that same banana to make muffins waste not want not in
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Canada the multi-purpose banana yeah no kidding okay we're gonna go make our way
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to Russia that's right Victoria Popova was a teacher at school number seven in ops Russia until some of
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her photos were found online pictures didn't show her donating Nadia nasty she was simply wearing a bathing suit but
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polvo had posted pictures of herself modeling swimwear on her Instagram page and for that she was fired for quote
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bringing her school and profession into disrepute the fiery sparked outrage on
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social media and within short order more than three thousand other woman and teachers posted pictures online of
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themselves in bikinis and other swimwear with the hashtag teachers are people too
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and I might have to search that interestingly this was one situation where the social media outrage may have
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worked when the swimsuit photos began posting all over the Internet amps that's Omsk region government made an
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announcement that Popova could return to her job the government issued a statement quote the question a
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Victoria's future employment has been decided that sounds very Russian she may decide to work as a teacher either at
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this school or another one the end quote though this was undoubtedly good news
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other options popped up as a result of the controversial firing because she was quickly courted by the modeling agency
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plus-sized OPSEC so she went on to be a model after all because of this
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controversy again another example of one of these teachers that lost their
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lucrative glorifying teaching jobs and tripped into a much better profession am
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i right yeah ain't no kidding yeah yeah so well one went into the adult industry the other one just posted nice nice pictures
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of herself and plus-sized clothing right right we have little understanding I would
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imagine both of us have a little understanding of what sort of character clauses may be built into a Russian
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teaching contract I don't feel like I have a firm handle on what their morals are and sort of what the social purview
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would be over Instagram modeling for a teacher there I have an inclination that
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it may be more restrictive than what we have here in the states or what you may have in Canada so yeah probably cuz it's
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Russian oh it's weird because again I have Instagram you can if you want to fall hundreds of grand people can but
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there's a picture of you thought my shirt on at poolside and again I'm in the military I have a government position is that is that provocative
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because I'm shirtless you know it's kind of silly the shoes yeah you get the point it turned me on Ryan I don't know well I appreciate that
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I had well I have that effect on people usually it is men I don't know why but maybe some girls for the same way to
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number five this is a guy named John Maxwell this is a different one so we've
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talked about a lot of different promiscuity related Oh personal life related drama that bleeds into your
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occupation this one is strictly on the job John Maxwell is great teacher at a middle school in
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Omaha Nebraska he was very good at his job as students all of them he'd been there for a long time one day he decided
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to do something different he brought in a file of mercury from as I guess his
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personal mercury collection how many of us have this but he brought it in to
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show his students apparently was not being supplied with mercury at the school so he brought in a vial of mercury for his students it was passing
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around the class what do you think some dumb sixth grader dropped it dropped the vial of mercury had started a leak on
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the floor he immediately cleaned it up I think it says here he cleaned it up with a paper towel and it was about the size
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of a nickel so not a lot of mercury but really who knows what the repercussions
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would have been he cleaned it up and apparently he did not immediately report it in all of the right ways the next day
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the principal learned of the accident would call the man because a concerned
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parent told him hey my kid told me that there was mercury spilled in class today that's a little bit more unusual on your
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regular Tuesday the teacher was terminated because he did not go through the proper policies and procedures of
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reporting a mercury spill and having it cleaned up by the right authorities Todd
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yeah you sort of see how this is different than the others yeah oh of
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course yeah this was just he probably should have brought in mercury that's probably it's unsafe it is a very
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dangerous chemical even though he is a science teacher he may or may not be sort of professional that is well
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trained in chemical cleanup there would be some professionals called him however he decided to clean it up off of the
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floor there would have been some residue or some seepage and if he eliminated the
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physical traces of it what was still going on and maybe he did not want to have to explain that he brought in his
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personal mercury collection for show-and-tell that it's it's out of the
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ordinary that's the story of this fellow mr. John Maxwell from Omaha Nebraska
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terminate cleaning up mercury yeah spoil alert I mean this isn't gonna be my lease pick mean the worst meaning
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that there's no reason he should have been fired endangering children's lives is pretty bad his intention wasn't
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malicious but but sometimes things are avoidable like nobody told him to bring
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that mercury in and he in fact shouldn't have brought it in and is one of those things where this didn't have to happen
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I'm now thinking that it would lead to probably years down the line every
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teacher in that school getting a one-hour mandatory meeting on mercury
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cleanup but everyone sitting around wonders what had to happen for them to
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be constantly reminding me about how to deal with mercury spills and that's just
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the history of that school now everybody that goes to that school has to learn
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about how to clean up our Burien how to report our grease spills they go what happened here well speaking of child
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safety this next one is talking about just that this is number four so when you're working at a daycare center as
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you would imagine it's important to ensure the safety of the children that are present so that's especially true when a fire breaks out which is exactly
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what happened at a Florida daycare center where Michelle hammock worked not
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wanting to see a bunch of children die from smoke inhalation and you know being burnt to death hammock rushed into
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action she grabbed fire extinguisher put out the flames saving all the children in the room and had the fire spread
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possibly the entire daycare center and what she lauded a hero nope she was fired a few hours later and the reason
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was she was terminal is I think a little bit baffling because her boss fired her for leaving the children in her room
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unattended she did that so she could put out the fire suggesting the daycare
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manager would have preferred she watched the fire spread from another room instead of putting it out and what's worse is there's no ambiguity about why
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she was fired her boss explained her termination in the interview saying quote I fired her only because she left
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her room it's not acceptable and if anybody else does the same thing I will fire again I will fire them no question
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and quote so basically she put the kids into a safe room that wasn't on fire so she could go fight the fire in a different room that's my understanding
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yeah this is a daycare this isn't even a school right it's likely the most at
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will of employment situations this fellow wanted to get rid of one of his
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daycare employees he's gonna do it for whatever reason he wants to yeah he sounds like a really nice guy to work
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for I just can't imagine that he really cares that much probably has a rotating cast of people working at the daycare I
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don't know what his motives would have been she did a good thing maybe insurance I know side yeah yeah
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ready for number three yeah I'm ready for number three just so that we're keeping track out of this list of ten
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we've now talked about two from Florida I'm going to throw in a third just sort
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of pile on here this is a woman named Diane and honestly this is a story that I had heard of before this is a story
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that came out of 2018 this woman Diane works or was a teacher at a school in
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Port st. Lucie in Florida for about 17 years it was a K through 8 schools she had
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students from like a large range but she generally was teaching social studies to
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eighth graders social studies to eighth graders as I said previously that was
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one of my favorite two teachers that I had was a history social studies classes
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she was fired because she had students in her class that did not turn in any
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work whatsoever zero homework I don't know what to say about this student that
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would do that just not do anything it would occur to me that perhaps they would have gotten kicked out of that
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school prior to doing this sort of thing or they just turned in no work at all but anyways she would actually give 0%
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on the final grades to students that didn't turn in any work however in her
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school handbook there was a big clause that stated no zeros lowest possible
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grade is 50% and it was in all caps and it was a reading and they were dictating
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to the teachers that they could not give zero percent credit for 0% work this woman
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was eventually terminated in September of 2018 because she had the gall to give
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zero percent credit for zero percent work I don't know what it took for a student to think that they could do nothing you would imagine that there
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would be something that would be given to them during class that they would actually turn back in she famously left
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a message on the ghouls chalkboard or posted it on social media the message
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set by kids missus tirado loves you and wishes you the best in life I've been fired for refusing to
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give you 50% for not handing anything in love missus tirado that was her
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going-away message to her students and so now she's been slapped with a chokehold a cease and desist for talking
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about you know disparaging in school and whatnot it's just an ongoing misery for her student that actually wanted to hold
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her students accountable in the way that they should be they're not learning anything about life if they get a 50%
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return nothing everyone gets a medal here in Port st. Lucie I guess yeah even
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your rush limbaugh you get a medal and everyone gets a medal lots of callbacks to our Hillary Clinton episode you like that one it's still on
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my mind for some reason go figure alright number two private religious
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schools often as you know have a morality and lifestyle clauses in their contracts we talked about the so variety
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and so when a teacher or other employees is found to have broken one of those clauses they're often terminated but
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even when this happens it's usually unfair and it's kind of ridiculous and this happened for one teacher it became
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a reality after she became pregnant by her fiance no it's not that she wasn't allowed to get pregnant
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Terry jeans was employed at San Diego Christian College and she did sign the lifestyle contract which in part said
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that she must refrain from premarital sex as that was the school standing as
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it's related to living as supposedly holy lifestyle so it was you know going well and good for miss James right up to
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the point she became pregnant and that wasn't something she could hide obviously so as a result to school
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terminated her for having premarital sex but that's not the end of the story when
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she left the school the job was offered to the man who impregnated her that's
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wild that's why the man being her fiance who was also engaged in the premarital
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sex that's weird for a Christian school to be patriarchal in that way this was a
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perfect example of the disparity of treatment for women and men when it comes to those so-called lifestyle
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morality clauses and contracts so women are often fired over wearing bathing suits while men aren't and like I said
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before I'm wearing a bathing suit and I don't think I should ever be fired because I didn't have the show woman I was seen as men can't become pregnant
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and James was singled out they don't care that they had premarital sex they
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just don't want to have evidence of it on their staff yeah I think it's one of these they decide what your character
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Clause means and for them it is very image based if you are going to be an
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ambassador for that school and in the sense that you're a teacher you're an ambassador for the brand yeah sure the
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sort of thing that sort of surprised me is that it's San Diego which is not known in America to be a conservative
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haven of any sorts and it's also a larger city it's surprising to me that
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there would be such a small community of teachers that they could have hired that they wound up hiring the fiancee
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I mean that was the wild twist that me into that but I can totally imagine that
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for a male you'd sign up for that clause every day all day it would be unlikely
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that you would get punished for it but for a female you've got the obvious short end of the stick on that
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unfortunately it's completely allowable again in these states that are at-will employment there's nothing you can do
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it's and why would you want to if these people are going to be so contentious you're going to really hate your job
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I believe bestest or take your lump and move on there's probably plenty of places that she work as a pregnant
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teacher I had pregnant teachers growing up that's a thing it happens sure why not
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yeah we'll get on the number one here this one is very reasonable situation that was gone
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out of hand and was taken the wrong way this woman named Jennifer Jennifer was a teacher at a high school in Tennessee so
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she was dealing with an older level of student that had different sorts of problems than elementary school students
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or the middle school students what she was well known for was taking very good
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care of her students both in the classroom and out of the classroom Jennifer was known on separate occasions
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to take her students to the hospital if they needed to go to the hospital head
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on at least one occasion she took a pregnant student to the hospital in order to save the life of the student
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and the baby at times she would take a student to the emergency room and she
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would pay the bills of that student either because she knew that the student and the parents could not do so or just
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kind of super hard sort of thing in this litigious society that we live in and in
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this highly particular society that we live and it was eventually discovered that she was overreaching in her duties
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as a teacher and this is something that I can understand and this is something that makes sense to me for Tennessee
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especially a rural community in Tennessee oftentimes a teacher no matter who they might be or what class they
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might be maybe one of the most trusted people in that student's life and if
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they felt like they just did not have resources outside of their family maybe their family was not much of a resource
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for them that they would turn to a student to try and help them with these things and this teacher probably
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acknowledging the reality of the society that she was in in whatever Tennessee
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City just realized that if she did not do this thing to help the student no one would she probably knew that that's why
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she went above and beyond and she was eventually terminating for it she was not terminated actually she was forced
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to resign and it was one of these things where as soon as she was signed there was gigantic outpouring support for her
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because it was one of these situations where maybe the parents of that particular student or upset that she had
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gone out of her way but the society as a whole knew that she had done that with the kindness of her heart there was no
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malice I mean how could there be in these sorts of acts she was just trying to help students that she's thought word need
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Wow there you go man this is a tough there's a there's a couple in my head that I'm thinking this is gonna be tough
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to pick the worst reason to be fired could I ask you a question especially with this Jennifer situation do you feel
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like the Jennifer situation you can feel like that could happen in Canada meaning what what part of it sorry the
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the sort of thing where this teacher sort of goes out of her way to help with Duden in a small town she acts as more
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than a teacher she acts as like a surrogate mother or some a private benefactor in certain instances no
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because of our health care system here it wouldn't be anyone could just walk into a clinic and you're just kind of
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covered these have to do with hospital bills when I was younger and when I was
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watching TV I would watch you know shows like ER or whatever it might be and any time I talked about somebody not be able
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to afford the hospital cost or something came up regarding hospital costs I remember thinking as a young Canadian like what
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are they talking about why is this an issue to score the doctor get fixed and go home for example when I was newly
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married individual my early 20s and I had young kids I was a starving student
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I had a young children I was delivering pizza and I was going to college when my wife at the time had her son's I walked
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in and we walked in another hospital we never saw one piece of paperwork other than sign the birth certificate in that
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sense how did the doctors afford four houses and three votes and seven cars I
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don't think they're as rich it depends if they're specialists or not doctors are still very wasn't why I hate the
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term well-to-do but yes the ER they're making more than the bus driver like we're not a communist country you know if you go to school and you do the work
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and the education and then you work long hours and you're helping a lot of people they're supported by the government the
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taxes it's just the same way the military taxpayers pay the military service pay the public school systems
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and that's the same thing it's just we throw the hospital into the same thing but how it works so is you pay what you
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can afford so the tax bracket that I was in as a young married person at the time if we paid a nominal amount I think it
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I think it was free because we are under a certain tax bracket so it didn't cost us anything but yes with the more money
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you make you would pay a stipend from your income into the hospital coffers so
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to speak so yes when you make money you pay more medical it's like a shark we call it health insurance we don't call
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medical insurance but it's basically it goes it's kind of with those things I get if you're poor you get free free
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health care one of these days we'll figure it out Ryan one of these days it seems to work I've had a couple of
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kidney stones I have had appendicitis I have six children now I've had kids a
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difficult the hospital well my second son I had pneumonia he was on a breathing machine when he was when he
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was just a few months old for ten days it cost the hospital thousand dollars a day here's the fine thing okay I was in
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the States for four years with the military so this is now my second marriage I was with in the States and with my with my current wife my second
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wife we had twins and we had these twins they were born in the States I've had three children born in u.s. so I have three u.s. children and of course
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Canadian governmental fees but we still got the bills from the US hospital right
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so they still sent us the bills but we just we literally took those bills and said here Canadian government thank you
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very much I couldn't believe it drew we saw the bills for the twins to have
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because they were both in NICU for seven days as well because they were born premature the cost of our twins was $300,000 oh
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yeah that's entirely reasonable we saw that our hearts were in our throats and
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were like wow and that lasted about 30 seconds before we just said here you go
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Canadian government and we moved on with our life it's numbers on a page by man
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numbers on a page I have some friends that work in local and and government
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down here they always laugh at it as well because sometimes when those things are taken care of you do want to see the
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bill and you do want to laugh at that it's it's the same in it's just insane at the end of day we don't see that in
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Canada that nobody gets that bill so you do have to so let me rephrase that no I could because I've been in the military for 17 years now so I've had my I've had
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my medical my family's medical has been covered for 17 years without us painting anything which is one of the advantages
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of being a military member at dental medical for the family but that being said my understanding is you still
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have to pay or apply for insurance so if he you have to tell the government this is what I'm making yeah you have to say
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this is what I'm making the government will say okay well Courtney what you're making this is what you're gonna pay you have to claim that it's like car
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insurance if you don't have it's gonna cost you a lot sure yeah so that's my understanding so you still have to say
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you have to have a card you have to have a number saying this is my health insurance this is what it's covering but
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in order to get that yet you have to claim your taxes and stuff as Shoei you you can't it's not automatic in the
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sense of you still have to do something to make yourself part of the public
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program it sounds like you guys have it figured out better than we do I don't know why you guys can't figure this out
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greed that was our Hillary Clinton episode as well yeah yeah if you want to go back listen devote money and power go
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back to Hillary okay do you want to run over the top ten so number ten here would be Carla Carla that worker then
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there would be number nine that would be Monica Monica the lesbian I think would
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be Nicholas Goddard the porn star okay seven would be Alison Alison was the
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substitute art teacher that talked about vaginas number 6 would be Victoria
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Victoria a Russian teacher that is now the plus-size bikini model she got a
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jump on that career though and that's why she was let go John Maxwell in Omaha
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cleaned up the mercury maybe maybe not as well as he could have Michelle Michelle put out a fire but she had to
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leave the room to do it Diane gave her students 0% when they did zero work
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that's a no-no Terry Terry just got pregnant before she was married hey there's Jennifer Jennifer who took
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her students to the hospital on multiple occasions these egregious acts of being
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a good Samaritan those would be the 10 that we went through do you want to give your worst first sure yeah so this was a
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tough one cuz there's a few of them I have a bleeding heart I don't really care about the bikini or the twerking
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medium key okay let's maybe you're not acting very teacher like substitute teacher I don't have a bleeding heart
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for either she probably just it's silly don't get me wrong but the one that I thought was the most
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egregious the one that I think is the worst and speaking as a parent of young children myself this the idea that this
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woman who protected the children and was able to eliminate the fire she put her
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life in front of the children's lives and it was able to handle the situation without hurting the children so she was
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able to think on her feet we sometimes we had to quote-unquote break the rules think outside the box which were given
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to literally put out a fire yet the fact that she was fired from this boss who says I quote I fired her only because
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she left her room it's not acceptable this guy is a jerk I think Michelle
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hammock were put out the fire is the most the most terrible reason for being fired on this list it's the worst it's
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exactly what you would plan it as it was a response to an emergency situation this wasn't a woman who stepped outside
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the office to take a cell phone call she smelled smoke she knew that she could handle it from all recollections here
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she did handle it and then in the course of reporting it and again dealing with
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the insurance companies are dealing with the authorities that want to ask certain questions about certain things well one
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of the questions would be like while you were putting out the fire were you also watching the children the answer to that
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had to be no but only because of the emergency yeah that's the unfortunate thing here and these are all employment
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issues where sometimes you have to say this is not a person you wanted to be working for in the first place right so
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this would be one of those she's gonna fire me because of a technicality like this my worst Jennifer that took the students
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to the hospital and paid for the things I do not understand what might have been the issue she might have been stepping
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on some parents toes but it only occurs to me that she would have been doing that because she realized that maybe
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they were parents that had drug dependency issues maybe they were parents that had alcohol dependency
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issues or maybe they were just that right for in certain areas of the world that is the problem she took it upon
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herself to help people that needed to be helped and if she stepped outside the bounds of her employment agreement
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and I think that she deserved the outpouring of social media that support as she got afterwards that's the worst
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reason to fire somebody for being a better person than you hired them for all right no I like it and I like your
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reasons and that was my if I had to pick a tie that would've been yeah I mean those were the two but I just I lean
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towards more just those poor young children just being uh it just scares me to death what could have happened to
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them but I think the only the tipping point for me was that this the one that you picked she was helping older kids if
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that makes sense and I was just leading towards my younger child the scenario so but both
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the job well done of those on those individuals and I hope they have bounced back in their personal lives
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in these days if you can get that sort of a social media a support and I think that these more recent stories that
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we're reading you've heard about these are stories were we know somebody winds up getting a GoFundMe or something like
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that out of this because they've been treated objectively unfairly awesome
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well there you go that was the fun episode yeah I enjoy just talking about
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absurd things and even though you can understand the reasons behind them still a wild world that we live in as a
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Narayan and it is and remember in front of every silver lining in this world
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there's a cloud and we're here to help you find it thanks drew thanks for coming on and being on the guest host on
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today's episode and I would love to have you back on if the subject is such that you would like to join the discussion we'll find something to talk about
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thanks drew appreciate it you have a good night take care brother [Music]
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