The Worst of the Best Podcast

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okay here we go welcome to the worst of the best podcast you wanted the best
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well they didn't freak him naked so here's what you get from Canada Ryan and
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Reuben [Applause]
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all right everyone welcome to another uplifting and positive podcast the worst
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of the best podcast I'm your host Ryan with me again a couple of guest host the guest with me on the Robert DeNiro
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episode and they did a great job they did such a great job that I thought I'd called them but back held sometime later
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you know days and days and days later they came back on the show and they're here today Craig and Doug respectively
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to talk about mr. Jeffrey Epstein and his terrible demise and what really happened or may not have happened so
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Craig go ahead and do sir self yeah hi I'm Craig Cohen from the worst of the best podcast oh wow you fired my
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brighter for the show no I've done more episodes of work to the best now that I've done of slide cast in the last year
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[Laughter] Doug yeah my name is Doug Greenberg of
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the rocky minute and the Sylvester Stallone podcast network yes finally
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this Holy Trinity of Stallone podcasters yes if you wanted listeners if you want
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to check that out me Doug and Craig or Craig Doug and I we do a podcast called the Stallone podcast network is where we
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conglomerated are hosting superpowers onto a youtube channel but those YouTube videos or audios or our release on our
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respective podcasts that we host so basically these guys are just great they're great the podcast with I could
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do any topic any time with these guys one of the biggest news stories at the end of this year guys I would have to
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say would be the death of Jeffrey Epstein he was a he was a pimp who
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supplied child prostitutes to the wealthy elite and he got caught for doing that he knew things that could
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bring some powerful people in his circle down as well he was tied to princes
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presidents multiple billionaires he'd been spotted at parties with some of the biggest names imaginable so if he shared
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everything he knew and there's no telling how many people he could have taken down with him because he was already in jail and when you're kind of
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at that point of your life you know if I'm going down everyone's going down with me but then suddenly lo and behold
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surprise surprise he died in jail apparently guys he was under constant watch maximum-security prison
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and Geoffrey Epstein's life ended and what officially has been called a suicide and somehow nobody saw this
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happen so at a glance it sounds a little suspicious and when you look into the details which are going to today it just
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gets worse this is one of those moments and I'm not a I'm not a cortical conspiracy theorist I don't like that term but to say that we are told the
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truth by the media and by those in power at all times in all places is an absolute if you believe that then you're
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a [ __ ] if anybody ever believes that the most powerful people don't run
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society you are out of your mind they can buy anything they can buy news
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stories they can make you believe anything you want just by influencing the information that's being put out
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there and this is probably well obviously the most recent and one of the most egregious cases I think it's gone
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to the point now guys where somebody like kept seeing quote-unquote commit
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suicide a prison and the average Joe Q public knows that it's a joke that the
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official story is such a joke that it's become a meme a popular meme like people
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will be talking about hey did you did you hear that they're cutting down rainforests by this many times a minute
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and the killing species everywhere and epstein didn't hang himself it's become
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a meme of itself where it's buried in inconsequential type stuff and all of a sudden you see it and we laugh and joke
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but it has become a joke our own media or we're expected to believe this has happened we'll go to now ten clues or
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facts you could say that are true that kind of indicate that did not commit
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suicide maybe he was in fact murdered the criteria after we read our ten clues to
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his murder vices suicide will pick the worst meaning the one of the ten clues
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it's the least likely to not make it a murder the ones that are most likely to
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point towards suicide yes or that has the least evidence to prove that it's murder yeah the one that has the least
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evidence to prove that it's murder okay the one that has the least evidence to prove that it's murder so I'll start
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with number 10 these are all fascinating by the way and I hope our listeners are just as fascinated by bitey because it
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only takes at least one of these indicate that he didn't hang himself yeah it's incredible so again for the
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record the official report is is that he hung himself that he committed suicide okay so light when t third Epstein was found
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in the cell he was unresponsive with injuries around his neck so according to the official report again he tried to
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hang himself but but this attempted suicide didn't work we have this happened almost two weeks before his
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official quote unquote suicide so just like on August 10th he was unconscious his badly wounded and just like they
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would on August 10th his guards claimed that he tried to kill himself the only difference was that on July 23rd Epstein
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survived so he could tell his own side of the story Epstein denied that he ever attempted suicide instead he claimed
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that he had been beaten halfway the death by his cellmate a former police officer named Nicholas Tartaglia no
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thank you his defense attorney David scone still insists it was not a suicide attempt
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he was afraid he would face consequences if he implicated anyone the lawyer said so he kept his mouth shut and he told
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investigators he couldn't remember what happened there was a cellmate who was a former police officer of all people in
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his cell who kicked the tar out of him I know this is kind of a running joke but thought you're a police officer right
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that is correct okay you got a high-profile prisoner like this I would
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think that they especially if he has any kind of information regarding things that they haven't yet cleared out yet I
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would think that they would sequester him and keep him away from everybody you know to prevent any kind of funny
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business so him having a cellmate did surprise me a little bit sure sure
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that's his number 10 who's got number 9 according to list I do okay his cellmate
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Tartaglia ohm was never questioned the former police officer we were talking about prison officials claimed that
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Tartaglia ohm was cleared of any wrongdoing in a July 23rd incident through an internal investigation but if
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they did conduct an investigation it could have been a particularly thorough one because Tartaglia own said himself that
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he has not been questioned by any law enforcement officials since July 23rd he
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denies ever having heard up steam he said that he found Epstein lying in a fetal position and went to help him he
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says these accusations were cooked up by guards who were tired of him complaining about the conditions at a prison Tartaglia Owen has received that if he
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conveys information about the facility or about Epstein's recent suicide there would be a price to pay his lawyer
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claims so this guy was cleared without ever having been interviewed him which
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is a legit handling of never not no zero percent of the time they had a picture
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of him here with though with his police dog see that yeah I don't know anything about this guy to start a glioma guy
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yeah why was he in prison do we know like there's so much stuff on this whole thing it would take I'm sure this podcast had been created
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just to cover this whole story this is these are just 10 clues that he was murdered or not did it commit suicide so
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there's just so much craziness here these are all facts these are undisputable facts okay
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he did get beaten up and the guy that beat him up was an ex-police officer somebody who knew how to take care of
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you know all right right all right you got the next one there Craig yes I do
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number 8 Epstein was taken off of suicide watch make sense Epstein was
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taken off of suicide watch just 12 days before his death he was put on watch in late July most likely on July 23rd after
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he was found injured in what guard exclaimed was an attempted suicide and if he'd stayed on suicide watch there's
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almost no chance he would have died prisoners on suicide watch er put under constant observation they're kept in a
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special cell that gives the staff and the unobstructed view of every prisoner does and they're given daily evaluations
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by psychologists whether he was suicidal not many experts agree that keeping Epstein under constant watch was just
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good a good precaution I would have a staff member sitting there or have a camera on him 24/7 while he was at my
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custody one former warden told NBC purely to cover my butt mm-hmm why was
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he take off suicide why he would have be unless the psychiatrist felt that he
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wasn't a risk anymore because they they have a lot to lose you take somebody off a suicide watch and they kill themselves
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did a liable well the psychiatrist says it wasn't warranted that he was very upbeat very
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okay who could be a beat in prison ah this is great this is great
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I'm telling right now Doug Craig if you ever throw me in prison I wouldn't last in prison I it's good scares the crap
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out of me put me isolation at the very least but I don't want to interact with anybody nobody ever mm-hmm almost sounds nice in
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Canada yeah oh yeah yeah you don't want to be me again like everything there's
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like hardened criminals and you know people you know cheating on their taxes
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criminals but there's certain demographics I wouldn't want to be mixed up with yeah same everywhere oh yeah
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yeah people are not nice people that commit violent crimes I don't want to be in jail with them yeah number seven at me
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you know day before his death his cell mate was transferred out at the same got
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to beat him up it doesn't say in the in the blurb but I probably not it's probably just saying he had to sell me
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one that didn't beat him up I guess but of course yeah maybe not because that that first beating was July 23rd missus
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talking about August 9th so yeah so he had another cellmate was again this point stored we don't have to kill the
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cellmate we just have to kill Epstein so we can't have any witnesses do you'd wanna have the kid two people dead in
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the cells obvious you go you can only have one dead cell person right so it was also the day a federal court
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released thousands of pages of sealed records on FC's case the names of men accused of being Epstein's clients were
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exposed and some of those names were a very powerful men quote a lot of
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important people are going to have a really bad weekend one article quipped even though Epstein was no longer a
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suicide watch he was supposed to be out of constant surveillance but hours before his suicide and right after the
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court documents were released his cellmate was suddenly transferred and no one was assigned to replace him a man
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who was on suicide watch just days ago was now left completely alone and no explanation for the transfer has ever
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been given well we hit we have the explanation I just told you we can't have a witness at the murder
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as if the story isn't crazy enough why would you be so obvious to kill him the
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day after you moved his cell me like just give it a couple weeks right a good time to have murdered him would
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have been after the failed police officer attempt yeah give it like ten
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days in between the tooth yeah yeah I don't if you want to get really tinfoil ehat why not just kill him after that
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attack and say that that attack is what killed him and then framed Tartaglia own as well or put in a cellmate who's
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really just like a deep-cover operative who's playing this cellmate and says yeah I was there when he hung himself
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I was sleeping but I woke up he was hanging you could give him a code name let's say poor dose all right moving on
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number six Epstein was left unobserved for hours Epstein wasn't supposed to be left alone
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and his guards knew it there were orders to keep camera surveillance on him at all times to check on him every 30
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minutes and never to leave him alone in his cell for even a second but on the night he died every single one of those
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rules were broken not only as some eight been transferred out like we spoke about before the
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prison was short-staffed ten of the 18 people who were supposed to be on duty had shown up and the two men in charge
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of monitoring him were both working overtime so allegedly both of these guards that were supposed to be monitoring Epstein fell asleep and
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didn't bother checking on him for a full three hours and they falsified the logs to claim they had it's doing their duty
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first of all there's no way that these guards still have their jobs and may or
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may not have been brought up on charges for you know some kind of misconduct official misconduct for not only failing
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to do their duty by checking on him every 30 minutes which here in New Jersey if a prisoner is on suicide watch
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I think their checks are every 10 or 15 minutes right rather than the regular 30
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they fell asleep on duty left a suicidal prison alone for three hours and falsified their logs to say that they
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have been checking on him nothing about that is okay nothing also eight people
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calling out yeah yeah a people call it's weird it's almost like FC knew the perfect time to hang himself
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[Laughter]
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perfectly yeah he did exactly when everything would fall apart so he could
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do this quietly in peace without anyone interrupting him how convenient how knowledge see or seeing it is the
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cameras were both cameras were had battle malfunctioned right I'm glad I
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got to read that one cuz I was angry just every sentence that went by I'm like this is bull crap this is bull crap
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like these guys are prison guards all right yep Epstein suicide may have been
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physically impossible according to the official report Epstein was found dead in his cell on August 10th at 6:30 a.m.
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the 6-foot tall man had it allegedly faster than the noose out of a bedsheet tied it to his bed frame and knelt down
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to hang himself no the way MX inmate of the facility told the New York Post nearly as soon as
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the story broke suicide at the Metropolitan Correctional Center the X in men claims is effectively impossible
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could he have done it from the bed no sir there's a steel frame but you can't move it there's no light fixture there's
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no bars they don't give you enough in there that could successfully create an instrument of death the statistics back
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up the claim in the past 21 years the prison has only seen one other successful suicide at least one other
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former inmate has voiced agreement it's next to impossible to kill oneself in jail yeah that's a pretty standard in
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today's modern day prisons then I think Doug could probably do this to kind of create a a prison where yeah it's just
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it's just hard to do basically enough rope to hang yourself enough leg room to swing around like where is he hanging
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himself from if there's nothing to throw the sheet around they don't have your typical bed frames and jails anymore
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they have bed frames that are secured 90 more frames because they're just secured
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to the wall where there's only rounded edges there's no posts or anything that you can tie off to right that includes
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the sink the cell doors have no bars they're just windows and steel because they they make it virtually impossible
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for you to tie off to anything to hang yourself you don't need much you can tie
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yourself - something low enough and hang yourself that way you know you don't have to be dangling from the ceiling right
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they don't even facilitate enough that much for anybody to hang themselves no
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the bed frame would have to be pretty high in order to create the angle needed to cut off circulation or break your
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neck and mean it's not totally necessary you only need a couple of feet of clearance and you just got to you know
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take all your weight just lead into it yeah exactly yep this one's interesting
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I think it's true I don't think it's made up according to this number for Epsons death was reported in a 4chan
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before it was in the news so at 8:16 a.m. just a little over an hour after a
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person was found dead in the cell the first post about his death broke out into the world with the title Jeffrey
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Epstein dead don't ask me how I know the message said but FC died an hour ago
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from hanging cardiac arrests it was posted a 4chan 38 minutes before the
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first reported the news the poster appeared to be a first responder as the
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post was full of information about how they tried to resuscitate him quote was
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called out as a cardiac arrest at the Manhattan Federal Detention Facility one PO said worked what do you call that
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word again s cystal worked a system system yeah it's like working on the
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heart for 40 minutes Epstein was in the hospital for 20 minutes the post claims before his death was called
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the FDNY has denied that the post could have come from one of their staff saying
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the account doesn't match our medical records but whether the details are right or not somehow this person knew
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about his death before the press let's just say I know said the only explanation the post provides don't need
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a glowy federal officer coming to my crib this is the thing man there's people inside inside inside right so
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they had somebody go onto 4chan he was dead when they made this post yes but
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that's just did the guy wanted to get the information out there fast furious right away like the person who was in
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the nose it was probably some account created just just to do this yeah well people want to be the first one you know
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want to be the one to get the word out and I believe that's what this guy did no it's it's not right and it's not
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legal to go posting on the internet about details about a medical case or really
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anything that's going on but people do it cops do it firemen do it EMTs do it on like
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Facebook and stuff they'll put out post a picture of a burning house just to get likes or get the conversation started I
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think it's terrible that people do that kreega number three or sorry Doug so three I think I do so dark so three
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crates got two oh and then toys got one yeah according to the list stick to your duties dammit number three
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his sex ring was successfully covered up years earlier ABC News anchor amy robach
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in a leaked video that came out earlier this month bitterly complained I've had the story for three years I've had this
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interview with Epson accused of Virginia Roberts we would not put it on the air she wasn't exaggerating back in 2015
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Roebuck had a story that would have exposed Epstein's prostitution ring she had all the major details even his
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connection to Prince Andrew and Bill Clinton but somehow the story never made the news she released a statement saying
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that the story wasn't censored that it simply didn't offer enough evidence to meet ABC's editorial standards but her
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own unedited statements and leaked video tell a very different story where she says that she was threatened by the UK's
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royal family threatened to cut off their ability to cover their family if Prince Andrew secrets came out and another
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network has since corroborated that in 2015 Epstein's lawyers contacted them and asked them to keep the story from
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reaching the news that's true that video go Google that again that her name was
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amy robach r OB ACH it's on youtube where she's just cutting the rug with
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one of the producers were somebody behind the camera between commercials and she was visibly frustrated by the
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fact that she had the store on epstein three or four years ago but she was blackballed and blocked by higher powers
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from revealing the what Epstein was doing so are they saying that the UK is
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royal family had something to do with this murder I think the idea here is just so the hell I again is that the sex
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ring has been consistently and successfully covered up for years this point so evidence towards who may have
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killed him I don't know about another indication that it wasn't suicide the people in very powerful positions whether it's in rural
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government or otherwise don't want to be implicated if he kills himself or quote-unquote they're not gonna wait for
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him to kill himself they want him dead right and again money talks right oh
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yeah man number two Epstein had injuries on his wrists and arms
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it was Jeffrey Epstein's brother mark who collected his body but when he found him he had far more than just injuries
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to his neck there were wounds on his wrists Mark's description is backed up by the autopsy when he died the autopsy
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says he had contusions on both of his wrists and abrasion on his left forearm and deep muscle hemorrhaging on his left
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deltoid those are unexplained mark Epstein says was he handcuffed and struggled was someone holding his wrists
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mark says that he's requested the details from his brother's file multiple times and has asked the investigators to
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explain how they ruled the possibility that Jeffrey Epstein was murdered but months later he has yet to receive a
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response I was told someone was looking into it now these kind of injuries can happen from any kind of struggle maybe
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I'll fight with another m8 if it was somebody else involved there would been some kind of report filled out right if
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you had a fight with another inmate I would think yeah I remember with this autopsy report to come out it's actually
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made the news as such that the autopsy report indicated that it was not a suicide mm-hmm or again it was not
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consistent with the evidence of justice ooh so at the very least maybe he had a struggle then committed suicide sure
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right sure that is gonna be more evident with this last fact Ryan right yeah go
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ahead no it's yours no you all right experts say his wounds are more than
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Doug Doug fatherless [Laughter] experts say his wounds are more
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consistent with murder dr. Michael Baden who sat in on the autopsy initially
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refused to talk to the press about what he's seen he was he was under a gag order he told them and it wouldn't be
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right for him to comment but when the news started reporting that his death was being ruled a suicide he stopped
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holding it then he told the press that from what he'd seen his injuries were more consistent with murder
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he points the fractures on his neck which he said extremely unusual and suicidal hangings indeed the medical
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researchers say that these types of fractures are about twice as common in homicides and suicides according to one
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study they can occur in about 25 percent of suicides it says a drop of about five
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to nine feet is required for these type of injuries and like I said before there's no room to do that in a Cell
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you're not fracturing your neck in your regular you know regular gel hanging you're just cutting off your air and
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kind of suffocating right it's evidence of a homicide of somebody somebody wrung his neck and this is coming from a
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medical examiner like that's pretty much the definitive word the authority on how
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on the cause of death he's saying it's a murder they're more that these injuries are consistent with murder however
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however it's being ruled a suicide and here's the thing nobody's gonna investigate who's gonna investigate who
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well that's a thing yeah well and also when you look at somebody like Jeffrey Epstein I mean I'm sure
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you'd find many people that would be willing to defend him and you know sadly when somebody dies and they've done
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horrible things people just say oh well you know they deserve to be dead anyway so they'll just dismiss all of the
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chicanery you know surrounding those circumstances that led to their death yeah this guy by
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all rights was a piece of garbage and right deserves to be dead the cover-ups and the people getting away with it it's
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very disturbing that that level of cover-up can occur he was a pimp for child prostitution end of the story no
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one's debating that and the debate is well who was involved with them names like you know Prince Andrew's Bill
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Clinton and Donald Trump have been thrown around at mingling with him at one point or another whether they participated in his wares or not I guess
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that hasn't been proven and that was the fear and now he's dead and we'll never know and it's the faceless victims of
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these prostitutes the ones that suffer as a result of this yep well on that
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Mary jolly witch piece of evidence that points towards a murder would be the
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least powerful or at least reasonable even might be murder maybe it could have been suicide I'm gonna say number four
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which was the 4chan report because either way somebody having advanced knowledge or being close
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to the situation reporting that he's dead it doesn't really indicate that it was a suicide or a murder it just indicates
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that they were close to the situation I hear what you're saying but I think my argument against that Craig the fact
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that they try and get ahead of the news getting this out there before the news is they want to make sure that the first
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message that gets out there from an authoritative a medical source which is what's the FDNY saying that wasn't us
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is saying oh yeah we tried to resuscitate him meaning nobody murdered him he hung himself so we're trying to
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save him because the reality is somebody did murder him so they're saying no no it was a suicide because we look I'm a
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medical responder and I'm telling you we tried to resuscitate him from a suicide so they I think they're trying to lead
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the story before it became a story to if that that's my understanding of number four I could be wrong but also at the
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same time Ryan you could have a situation where he was held in such little regard that if he did you know
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attempt suicide they might say oh I'll just let him let him die who cares yeah
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how far they'd gone to really resuscitate him I viewed the same way that Craig did that was my pick two for
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least likely to point towards murder I mean if you take it at face value it just looks like a guy working on scene
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that wanted to get the word out there I wanted to be the first one to make the report I wanted to become famous as a
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first guy to report that Epstein was dead I took it at face value I I guess Craig did too I mean if you're saying
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Ryan that that it was the powers that be that wanted to put the story out to I'm
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leaning towards that I might be a little tinfoil hat on that that's how I read it that's how I read of what's happening there it could be but I'm thinking along
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Craig's line of thinking too and that's that's my choice yeah I'm almost there I'm with you guys I guess I feel
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strongly that I think it was a conspiracy to get the word out first like there was a plant by the powers
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that be and so I guess I'm leaning towards that being evidence that he was murdered if I believe in what I'm
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reading I think I don't know why but that's just what I'm doing so I kind of leaned towards the fact that his early
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or earlier four or five years earlier this news piece did have a story on his sex ring it doesn't indicate what though
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an interesting piece of evidence though an interesting piece of the media are the powers that be to control the media
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which we know they do stopping the story for coming out four or five years ago about him having the ring having names
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involved in the ring the only thing that happened here is indicates that people in power which is no big surprise could
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stop a news story the same way they can create one because you could argue well yeah he committed suicide because he was
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under the gun he's going to jail for a long time to commit suicide so this news story it doesn't help or not help the
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fact that he was murdered or commit suicide it's indifferent to that I think it though an interesting piece of
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evidence I don't think it points to murder or suicide one way the other yeah I can't really speak to it I hate that's
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that's fair that's a fair assessment yeah it just shows that people that are in power can stop a news from spreading
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yeah mm-hmm oh wow that was anyone feel good about themselves right now or how do we feel
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did you do your pick right did you share your your pick for that that was number
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three sorry just because on the surface it there's no evidence that makes it a
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murder or suicide it could fit both equally so it's my it's it's the least one towards what's going on here it's
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just showing the powers-that-be have said hey we can stop the news from happening which yeah I believe it but it
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doesn't really say whether or not at what Epstein's motos world the night he died or yeah so though one interesting
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piece of news it I don't think it indicates murder or suicide so guys that
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was depressing I'm gonna go need a shower yeah yeah I
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think I was a creep and I hope he whatever hell might be out there I hope he enjoys it because like Doug had said
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the nameless and faceless victims it just breaks my heart they're real people here who are being I don't even I don't
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even know how to Doug you might know more than I do about how these children are found I don't are they are the Americans are
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the other world are the other country I mean are they I think it's a little bit of everything it's more likely that
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immigrants would get exploited right um yeah they come from everywhere though yeah it breaks my heart let's raise our
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hats and kudos to the teutuls law enforcement officials and who do go their way to fight this stuff there's
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too once in every four swear there's child's safety officers I don't want to called
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everywhere but who go out and to have to see this terrible part of life to convict these people so thanks to them
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for their service and their sacrifice mentally to take care of the stuff oh yeah Cheers definitely yeah all right well merry
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Christmas to you guys Hayley your dreams
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come true over here and with that remember in front of every silver lining
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there's a cloud who were there to help you find it NFC didn't hang himself
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[Music]
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that was a heavy one that was heavy all the way this was fun and what we're used
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to I love to do this one too with my brother because it's like ah it's kinda nice talking with different topics you
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know I just talk about different things and if you guys want I'd love to have you guest host on the next one anytime
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you want man yeah any time it might have more times than not because Reuben leggo saying him that yeah he's just he works
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like six days a week and he what runs a business and of course he's got kids and so what he when his night is available
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it's like 7:00 7:30 when he's ready to recorder which we usually did back when I lived on the west coast but that's
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10:30 at night for me so it's hard to correlate times together so it's your show at him if he's if he's okay with it
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you know I feel bad like we're stepping on his toes no no he he doesn't want the
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show to stop just because he can't record so yeah all right all right all right guys we'll talk to you soon thanks
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again okay all right all right cool